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TOPIC: New trains - next week?

Details of new Moorgate line trains 11 Mar 2019 17:16 #4434

It looks as if we may be waiting some time for new trains to be running on the line; there is apparently a blind spot from the driver's cab preventing them from viewing the whole platform. Govia and the unions aren't in agreement on a workaround solution until new signalling is introduced on the line (which is unlikely to be for at least a couple of years). In the meantime, the current trains are barely being maintained, as they were supposed to be out of service by now.

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Details of new Moorgate line trains 12 Mar 2019 20:15 #4435

James Brown wrote: It looks as if we may be waiting some time for new trains to be running on the line; there is apparently a blind spot from the driver's cab preventing them from viewing the whole platform. Govia and the unions aren't in agreement on a workaround solution until new signalling is introduced on the line (which is unlikely to be for at least a couple of years). In the meantime, the current trains are barely being maintained, as they were supposed to be out of service by now.


I assume that James' source is the Mail on Sunday article headlined "£200million train cab where drivers can't see out the window: Station signals obscured from the seat and views blocked by a wall housing the safety ladder put passengers in danger"

I found a thread on a train enthusiasts' forum discussing the problem with people posting to it on the whole pretty gloomy about the prospects for the new trains appearing any time soon and for the current trains - having been so badly neglected - surviving for much longer. There was speculation about all services being diverted into Kings X for some considerable time. Supposedly, no-one dare do anything to the signals in the tunnel because the whole system is so fragile.

However, earlier today someone posted the following:

It could be on for trains running before the end of this month. A plan has been made that should solve the issues and have all trains running by July.

Let's see!


The plan appears to be to have dispatchers at all stations in the tunnel, then, once all the current trains have been withdrawn, to install barriers at the danger point on the platforms, which they can't do while the 313 class is still running. As the man said, "Let's see!"

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Details of new Moorgate line trains 12 Mar 2019 20:46 #4436

If this is chaotic as it appears to be, then some sackings would seem to be in order.

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Details of new Moorgate line trains 13 Mar 2019 16:37 #4438

The company is a complete shambles. Error after error after error.

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Details of new Moorgate line trains 13 Mar 2019 18:25 #4439

Sources were that story from the Mail that you mentioned - risky I know – but also the rail forum too, which seems a more reliable source of information.

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Details of new Moorgate line trains 14 Mar 2019 12:51 #4441

If you want to blame any one then its down to Railtrack when the units were ordered it was with the understanding that the signalling between Drayton park and Moorgate would be modernised to in cab signalling so line side signals would not be necessary , but as usual Railtrack failed to deliver the old right and left hand scenario , drivers have to observe starting signals at stations are clear for them to proceed, as the 717s are a fixed 6 car formation and slightly longer the driver has to stop right at the end on the platform so can no longer see the signal, its like stopping at traffic light with signal post by your passenger door, the drivers reps have suggested either having a second person in the cab between Drayton Park and Moorgate assist in signal observation or a repeater signal be placed in such a place so the driver can see it, but as usual, as its not managements idea so reluctant to adopt it, their idea was to stop the train a coach length short and selective close the doors on the last coach so if you are in it you have move forward to get out at these stations, to me it another Grayling cock up as the GTR is not privatised it is owned by the MoT as all revenue goes to them, GTR are only paid to manage it and their ability to so it is debatable.

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Details of new Moorgate line trains 14 Mar 2019 18:21 #4442

Thanks. Sounds like it is the infrastructure owner's fault then - and your note perhaps explains why the signalling in the tunnels seems to fail consistently. Just one correction - Railtrack ceased operating in 2010 - the infrastructure owner is Network Rail.

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New trains - next week? 21 Mar 2019 01:01 #4452



This photo was tweeted last week by @13milpost, along with this text:

An exciting weekend dynamically testing the new blind spot mirrors/ HD Cameras for Class 717 NCL stock, all 25 revenue units will be similarly fitted by end of month in addition to development set 717 000.


Contributors to railforums.com seem confident that the trains will come into service on Monday! "We're looking at 2 units in service weekdays only for a few weeks then 2 units entering service every 2 weeks."

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