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What a street in a Quieter Neighbourhood might look like
08 Feb 2017 23:34 #2688

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As reported earlier, Enfield Council will resume work on creating Quieter Neighbourhoods with the next few weeks.  Although the residents-led workshop approach will now not be used and the Council will be coming up with proposals and seeking feedback, this still leaves room for residents to float their own ideas before the Council sets out theirs.

One resident of Old Park Road has done just that, and has produced some concept visualisations designed to spark up discussions with neighbours.  Please note that these are very much concepts - the drawings that they are based on are not sufficiently accurate to allow calculation of turning circles, emergency vehicle requirements etc.

Quieter Neighbourhood and traffic calming

Concept Visuals for Old Park Road to inspire discussion

OPR concept image 1


Basic principle -  assuming the road remains with two-way traffic
(one-way traffic would allow more planting / social areas)

OPR concept image 2

Central reservation alternates between parking bays, raised planting beds and social areas

OPR concept image 3

 

Existing driveway parking still accommodated

OPR concept image 4

 

Social areas with seats to encourage residents and passers by to sit, talk, read, get to know each other

OPR concept image 5

 

Dedicated play / family areas secured by railings

OPR concept image 6

 

Planting in raised beds to ensure existing underground services remain undisturbed

OPR concept image 7

 

Social areas laid with contrast paving that continues across to pavements, raising awareness of pedestrians

OPR concept image 8

 

Contrast paving across the road forms gently raised humps for speed control

OPR concept image 9a

 

Signage at each end of the road (branded to create a Lakes Estate identity?)

Welcome to Old Park Road

We are part of the Lakes Estate Quieter Neighbourhood.

If you are driving along our road we hope you live here or are visiting / delivering.

If you are using this road as a cut-through, please do not.

We hope pedestrians and cyclists linger to use our social areas and enjoy our planting.

We hope that many more streets become beautiful urban oases, promoting
health and well-being and improving air quality in built environments.

 

Concept only – discussion / regulatory points

(Note – existing street trees not included in visuals but would be retained)

  • ensure sufficient width for emergency & utility vehicles
  • ensure sufficient road width for all vehicles exiting driveways
  • maintenance of plant material (resident gardening groups / residents financial contribution to professional gardeners?)
  • ditto irrigation – trees & plants watered by residents especially during establishment period
  • long term commitment to the scheme, once current residents have moved on?
  • capital / installation costs / LBE Budgets?

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What a street in a Quieter Neighbourhood might look like
09 Feb 2017 08:33 #2689

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Interesting. Is that Karl's idea? Funnily enough, when the whole mini- Holland malarkey was in its infancy, I had a similar idea for Palmers Green Town Centre, except with cars parking perpendicular to the traffic flow.

But, I ask:
1. Will there be a clear space next to allow people needing assistance, or who can manage themselves but have mobility issues, to get in and out of their cars safely?
2. Encourages children to run into the road, when they are being loaded unloaded into/from cars
3. What happens if you want to drive out the other way. You'll end up having a longer journey and will increase traffic on other nearby roads?
4. How do you prevent the micro-parks being used late at night by alcoholics and drug users? They will be too small for active children's play during the say.

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09 Feb 2017 09:51 #2690

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Who wants to sit on a bench in the middle of the road....???

Also, unless I'm missing something, surely this will cause congestion issues elsewhere (particularly ends of the road) as drivers won't be able to turn across the road to access their drives i.e. a two way road has been effectively replaced by two one-way roads.

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09 Feb 2017 10:17 #2693

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Not Karl as floated for some reason, why should it be?
But more generally, and looking at early reaction, is what is oh so common in this locality, ie NO, followed by problem 1, problem 2, ..problem N. That's easy as I've said in respect of several other initiatives, projects and whatever. The difficult is being creative and progressive and building on ideas to make a positive difference. NO gets tedious and really does stop people bothering - think of Proms, Scream 2016, potentially Festival and what could have been Starfish as good for the area examples. Perhaps others could try and develop ideas for their own streets or the wider area rather than simply knocking-copy. That's all too easy. Personally, I'm well bored with it.
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09 Feb 2017 12:36 #2696

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Thanks for sharing this and also thank you to the person who took the time to create these visuals. Does it really matter who the originator of the visuals is?

I think it's a great idea and starting point to help discuss how we can tackle the speeding and volume on our roads. I really like how this concept tackles the issue of parking (actual street parking is limited due to dropped kerbs/drives) by using the centre of the road and at the same time narrows the road to encourage slower driving. Most likely the road would have to be closed one side to truly see the benefit of this design.

As a parent of two under two I have no issue of walking from the centre of the road to my house as sometimes I have to park my car a lot further from my house and then make my way to the house.

As to the pocket parks, brilliant! This will really help create a communal place for residents to get together - as they do when the road is closed for play streets - not to mention the aesthetic advantage

Obviously these plans are designed to get a discussion going and would need to be shaped accordingly as greater thought is given to the idea, and perhaps only some elements would be actually adopted.

I also agree there really are some negative folk in PG who are stifling anything progressive. Immediately they just want to shoot things down..i guess its in their DNA! Tackling problems requires innovative thinking kudos to the person who has come up with a great initial plan.
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09 Feb 2017 18:42 #2702

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Ibrah Dar says: ". Most likely the road would have to be closed one side to truly see the benefit of this design."

So how will people with crossovers be able to get out of their driveways?

You may not mind standing in the middle of the road, risking life and limb and/ causing an obstruction trying to strap your toddlers in. But, I'm pretty sure that most people would regard that as utterly reckless and selfish behaviour.

My son is a bit older now. But, I have two very frail parents. It takes several minutes for them to get into a car.

Some of us would be very happy if the worn out pavings were renewed and not replaced with asphalt, either.

It's not about being negative; it's about having some commonsense, a quality that seems hopelessly lacking in some quarters.

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09 Feb 2017 21:53 #2709

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An good start for division however I have a further point.
If the recreational / tree zones were staggered on either side of the road say 75 metres apart, the carriage way would then meander from side to side around them. It is this sideways movement that reduces a cars speed ( I had the pleasure of a presentation by anti terrorist bods on this subject)
This as well as slowing traffic reduces everyone having to cross the road to access a play zone etc.
The splitting of the road as shown above also creates a multitude of blind spots to prevent drivers seeing kids stepping out and with only one carriage way there is no where for the driver to turn to avoid a collision

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09 Feb 2017 23:51 #2713

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Peter's suggestion is much more sensible. But, there is still the problem of dealing with crossovers. There are a lot on Old Park Road. And introducing these play aras will worsen an already stressed parking situation. For goodness say the park is only a few minutes away.

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