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TOPIC: Regenerating Palmers Green town centre

Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 04 Apr 2018 12:05 #3749

Brendan McMullan comments “a high street that a lot of people who live in the area don't visit, don't want to visit and have no reason to visit.”

That’s a sentiment I’ve picked up numerous times over many years from many locals and have been feeding back to the business association for well over a decade. Nonetheless the received wisdom is that all attention for success needs to be on high street parking, a finite facility under whatever terms and only representing a small minority of total visitor numbers (independent town centre study some years back). A focus on the – relatively untapped – large local population always seemed to have much more potential. After all they are going to shop and socialise somewhere, so why not on their own doorsteps?

I find the recent move to attractive looking, and arguably more upmarket outlets, that has become the norm interesting: eg Gatehouse, Starfish, 90, Mytime, Gemm barbers (with a cute loyalty scheme), Chalk, the imminent opening of “Stage” as well as the tripling in size and overall improvement of an convenience store.

Some store fronts are improving – witness eg Nationwide’s recent small tweaks – and the general view, here and elsewhere, is that the public realm is now much more attractive post the lanes, despite calls for more greening.

It certainly wouldn’t seem, to me at least, to fit the recent input from one self-styled retail expert from nearby WHill who commented, “At the moment PG is dirty, dangerous, desolate and a disaster.”

Yes Multiyork closed, one of many national chains going or who have actually gone under recently; Starbucks finally withdrew, being unable to compete versus the numerous (typically excellent) independents from the three quarters of the overall store footprint they chose to utilise (so making required returns per square foot more challenging); and Store 21 continues its merry dance between prospective tenants. On the other side, new investment continues to arrive and one established, high effort, tenant talks of business up 30% year on year.

Look out for more local convenience, non-internetable and entertainment focused themes over the coming years as some bookies, estate agents and banks inevitably fade.

A differentiated road surface through the town centre as suggested – absolutely, in some form – as well as London wide 20mph max speed limits in such pedestrian-centric spaces. Focus on the people, not the cars.
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Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 04 Apr 2018 15:21 #3751

Joe Mark O'Connor wrote: I think Enfield Council should put there heads together with Waltham Forest Council and take a leave out of their books they have done a amazing job reviving their town centre and its buzzing more then ever before.


That would be Waltham Forest Mini Holland you speak of.....

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Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 04 Apr 2018 15:28 #3752

Cobbles?

Orcas in the middle of the highway have been argued as a vehement public health hazard, causing untold injuries, and you think cobbles across the whole of green lanes in the answer?!

Sometimes, a bit like Brexit, 50s Britain isn't always better and shouldn't be aspired to. PG is finally doing well coming out of a malaise with an improving high street environment and some interesting local/independent retailers. If more people visit and spend then this will continue to improve.

Landlords want to make money. Empty shops lose them money. If it was a simple as lowering rent demands then they'd all do that. Huge stores that aren't fit for modern retailer need (unless a national multiple retailer can be attracted, which PG is long way off having the strength to) will not let regardless of rental levels. No coffee shop could survive in that Starbucks unit. They'll be a long time to fill I think......

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Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 04 Apr 2018 17:38 #3753

I'm laying out my vision using pictures. All of these images are of are of London streets :



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Myddleton Road
Crouch End Broadway
Colombia Road
Walthamstow Village
Muswell Hill
Tufnell Park
Broadway Market
etc.
They all have charm and character. There are strong densities of independent shops. Shop design - both inside and out - is important. The pedestrian experience is paramount. There are plenty of reasons to visit and to dwell. The environment is attractive. The shops are providing the customer what they want. Events like market days complement the permanent fixtures. There is a mixture of retail, leisure and lifestyle uses. These streets have an identity. They are modern uptakes on the traditional high street.

Palmers Green could be on this mood board - with the right changes.
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Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 05 Apr 2018 08:45 #3756

Absolutely charming...This is how our local high streets and shops should look like...it almost feels like your in beautiful Europe...maybe we should get are ideas and innovation from our neighbours...they are always looking jolly maybe it's because they care more how they live then we do...

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Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 05 Apr 2018 09:44 #3758

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Peter George Regeneration Director emailed me telling me that he will be taking a walk along PG and Green Lanes in May to see what changes needs to be done, it may help if the public emailed him with ideas and suggestions...

It's great that we all show we do care but we need to take all our ideas and email them to Peter George to show we are serious to make a change. He would love to know that our community is passionate to make a difference.

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Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 05 Apr 2018 09:51 #3759

Joe - you have the most misty eyed view of Europe I have ever come across. Almost feels like you've either not actually been there much or have many many years ago hence you wistful longing.

Vaste swathes of northern and eastern European towns are complete dumps. There is lots and lots of loveliness not doubt, but the excellent pictures above are no more common or representative of Europe than they are British towns and villages.

A major step forward to improving street scenes (and one shown to reap dividends in other comparable northern European cities) is the priority of walking and cycling and aggressive reduction in car use/dependency. We need more mini-hollands, not more moaning about them.
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Regenerating Palmers Green town centre 05 Apr 2018 10:05 #3760

Peter George Regeneration Director emailed me telling me that he will be taking a walk along PG and Green Lanes, to see what changes needs to be done, it may help if the public emailed him with ideas and suggestions...

It's great that we all show we do care but we need to take all our ideas and email them to Peter George to show we are serious to make a change.

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