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TOPIC: Notes from Palmers Green Ward Forum

Notes from Palmers Green Ward Forum 11 Feb 2018 17:07 #3618

Basil Clarke Basil Clarke's Avatar Topic Author
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The following is a brief outline of some of the points raised at the Palmers Green Ward Forum on 8th February.

There is another summary, by Sarah Dodgson, on the Enfield Voices Facebook page, produced as part of the Enfield Voices Citizen Journalism initiative.  There is also a video recording of the meeting made by Francis Sealey that he live streamed on Facebook(which not everyone can view - I'm one of those who can't, so I'm relying entirely on the notes I made at the meeting).

photoAttendees

  • Councillors Ahmet Oykener and Mary Maguire were at the meeting, along with three of the four members of the Palmers Green Safer Neighbourhoods Team (Metropolitan Police Service)
  • There were around 15 members of the public (not all from Palmers Green ward).

Safer Neighbourhood Team briefing

  • Burglaries up, robberies down.
  • Weapons sweeps carried out in Tatem Park.
  • Use of Criminal Behaviour Orders has been effective in reducing drug dealing associated with particular retail premises near Green Lanes.

Crime/Anti-Social Behaviour

  • Gun incident at Marina restaurant - many police officers in attendance (Safer Neighbourhood Team unaware of this)
  • Fly tipping
    • Oakthorpe Road a particular blackspot. 
    • Rubbish in some mews alleys is blocking fire exits from flats above shops.
    • Council usually remove fly tipping quickly when notified
  • Several fires deliberately started in Broomfield Park.
  • Question: Have later opening hours of Lodge Drive car park resulted in any problems?
  • Promised additional street lighting near MacDonalds was never installed, so that the route from the car park is poorly lit.

Controlled parking zones

  • Residents in Windsor Road and Elmdale Road are organising petitions for CPZs. When they have gathered enough signatures, the petitions will be submitted to the Council, after which the consultation process will begin [This point was corrected on 15 February using information provided by Cllr Mary Maguire]
  • The Council will consult residents in neighbouring streets before any decisions.

Cycle Enfield/Green Lanes road layout changes

  • Bus stop boarders:
    • Do passengers have priority over cyclilsts?
    • Potential risk for partially sighted passengers
    • Signing for cyclists is inadequate
    • Mary Maguire undertook to investigate these questions.
  • At least one stop line for cyclists missing
  • Hazelwood Lane junction with Green Lanes
    • Complaint that the narrowed end of Hazelwood Lane is causing congestion
    • Counter argument that the narrowing has reduced danger to pedestrians walking along Green Lanes
    • Under the original Cycle Enfield proposals Hazelwood Lane would have been entry only*, but this iShe dea was abandoned because of objections from members of the public
    • Council considering removing some parking spaces to ease congestion
  • Pedestrian lights near Lodge Drive junction take too long to turn green
  • Complaint that no pedestrian phase planned for the Green Lanes/Hedge Lane/Bourne Hill junction
  • Give Way lines on side roads set too far back, meaning that motorists can't see when it will be safe to enter Green Lanes**
  • Oversized vehicles delivering to Sainsburys were persistently parking in the cycle lanes.  The point was made that it is not appropriate to use such large lorries to deliver to small shops.
  • Cars were persistently parking in the cycle lane near Ruth Winston Centre.
  • Funding has now been made available and the main carriageway between Barrowell Green and Hedge Lane will be resurfaced
  • Some discussion about the scope for planting more trees or other greenery.

Redevelopment of the Fox

  • Mary Maguire said that the Fox developers were due to meet LBE planning officers that day
  • She suggested that discussions had focussed on the amount of affordable housing to be built
  • A new planning application likely before the end of February, followed by another public consultation
  • The Fox would probably go before the planning committee on 11th April.

Shopping parades in Green Lanes

  • A general discussion took place about empty shops, poor choice of shops and the failure of shopkeepers and landlords to maintain the appearance of retail units and the flats above them.
  • Ahmet Oykener said that some thought was being given as to how to improve the high street economy and its appearance in Palmers Green.  He was hoping to set up a meeting with Peter George, Assistant Director for Regeneration.  It was suggested that they should walk along Green Lanes to appreciate the problems.

 "Meeting the Housing Challenge in Enfield"

  • The title of a briefing that Ahmet Oykener had given to the over 50s Forum in the morning.
  • Print-offs of PowerPoint slides provided
  • More than 50% of council housing lost through right to buy
  • 3387 homeless households/10,000 homeless people in Enfield
  • LBE has restarted building new council flats after a 30-year gap
  • Landlords charging extortionate rents for emergency overnight accommodation
  • LBE has set up its own fully-owned company to buy up properties to house homeless families (Housing Gateway) - this saved £2.5 million in 2016/17
  • Meridian Water: Barratts deal fell through because they didn't want to uphold the position they had stated when bidding - affordable housing the main issue.  Now hopeful that talks with a second bidder will succeed.  Meridian Water can't be compared to the Haringey Development Vehicles as it involves new housing, not large scale redevelopment of former council estates.

Footnotes

*At the meeting it was stated that Hazelwood Lane was to be one-way, but I think this is incorrect - only the junction with Green Lanes would have been one-way.

**My view is that having the lines set back is good, showing that pedestrians and cyclists travelling along Green Lanes have precedence over cars emerging from side roads.  When a driver sees there are no pedestrians or bicycles coming, they can then move forward to the end of the road and wait there.

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Notes from Palmers Green Ward Forum 12 Feb 2018 14:59 #3619

I just like to say a huge Thank-you to Councillors Ahmet Oykener and Mary Maguire for discussing and taking a interest in my suggestions and views on reviving PG and Green Lanes Shopping parades and planting more trees or other greenery in the area. This will give it a uplifting and more approachable feel for shoppers then it does at this present moment, we need more added greenery not only to be surrounded by beauty but more importantly to combat air pollution which will be beneficial to our health and we must also keep our community shops booming by giving them TLC...

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Notes from Palmers Green Ward Forum 12 Feb 2018 18:07 #3620

At the foot his notes of the February 8th February 2018 meeting of the Palmers Green Ward Forum Basil Clarke wrote this:

"My view is that having the lines set back is good, showing that pedestrians and cyclists travelling along Green Lanes have precedence over cars emerging from side roads. When a driver sees there are no pedestrians or bicycles coming, they can then move forward to the end of the road and wait there."

I agree with him, and at first that was how it was. But during my most recent two or three rides the tendency has seemed to be driving straight up to the point where the driver can see the traffic (though steadily), which can be a car's width into the carriageway. I suspect that this change has arisen because there are few cyclists so far, and hopefully things will improve as increasing numbers of people cycle. In the meantime cyclist would do well to keep a sharp look out.

Commenting on drivers' approach to cyclists generally I'd say that most pass too closely, especially where room is tight, for example on narrow side roads with continuous lines of parked vehicles on both sides of the road. Feels like impatience to me, and I understand the attitude of mind given the freedom drivers have had to make their own rules, but times 'they are a changing'. On the assumption that the cycle lanes do become a success there will be a need for much more driver patience/care on o road generally.

And finally: I happened to be cycling when the rain came down hard last Saturday morning, and subjectively it seemed that drivers were driving more quickly, and by and large , closer to me. Almost as if , like me, they would be happy to get there.

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Notes from Palmers Green Ward Forum 13 Feb 2018 16:23 #3622

Collaboration inevitable beats conflict, as with communicating vs shouting. Good news, well done. (Green) Fingers crossed.

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Notes from Palmers Green Ward Forum: CPZs 15 Feb 2018 08:31 #3628

A minor correction to the notes:

Under the item CPZ (Controlled Parking Zones): it should read that residents in Windsor Road and Elmdale Road are organising petitions for CPZs. When they have gathered enough signatures, the petitions will be submitted to the Council, after which the consultation process will begin.

Thanks Mary. I've corrected the original article. Basil

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