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    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • I feel for Candy as her road is certainly going to be flooded with more traffic, and probably going more quickly as the last experiment showed that irritated drivers seem to speed up to make up for lost time. I am one of the lucky ones . After speaking to my accountant my I can buy a second car for both me and my wife which we can park on Aldermans Hill.Going to work via the North Circ will be a simple trip down Ulleswater or Derwent,parking and crossing the road to our second vehicle. It may even mean a quicker trip for us since everyone will be snarled up in Southgate circus so we can zip around faster. This does mean 2 more cars on the road and 2 more cars taking up parking on the residential roads. I can write off the cost of 2 additional cars against the business and pass on residual costs to customers .I'm not sure many people will have this luxury and moving congestion and pollution to other areas is wrong. David has a good point about motorcycles.I have looked into this for my 2 teenagers. They are cheap and effective if you buy the' delivery' type mopeds (£950approx for a new 50cc moped)The downside for residents is the noise (Vespa like) and relatively high amount of...
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author roger dougall
    • Today 08:54
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • Candy Newman and Adrian Day are right, but there is another factor which is the extent to which people living in the Fox Lane area will be persuaded to walk, cycle or use public transport more often than they do now. After all barriers to cars and vehicles generally are unlikely to be prevent walkers or cyclists leaving the estate by any street on the estate. However, a possible problem would be a rise in the use of motorbikes. Hopefully the Council has that thought in hand.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author David Hughes
    • 05 Dec 2019 23:03
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • Mary Jonnes story about her teenagers being targeted at Southgate station/Bourne Hill is a distressing one, and in her situation I'd also find a way of collecting them. But the underlying issue is about the well-being/quality of life of the many hundreds of people who live on the Lakes Estate of which I am one. Of course we all have our personal preferences and views about quality of life, and in the end the decision about the design will hope to achieve a better life for people of all ages. Cleaner air is certainly a big issue in the health and well-being of all of us. Cars powered by electricity from batteries will eventually help with that, but particles from tyres are likely to remain a problem. If I was making the decision about the precise design I'd probably choose the Council's first stab at it, but I know that when the final design is chosen modifications to the design will have been made.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author David Hughes
    • 04 Dec 2019 22:42
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • I am one of those parents who needs to ferry their children around because teenagers are being targeted and mugged at Southgate station on a daily basis. This was a non-essential car journey that has now become essential in order to ensure my child’s safety. There are many factors to be considered before imposing a scheme like this onto local residents. It is not simply black and white. I would love my son to walk home from Southgate station and in fact he did this throughout the summer until we discovered that the muggings had spilled onto Bourne Hill and so I have reluctantly stopped him.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Mary Jonnes
    • 04 Dec 2019 21:11
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • I am the son of a father who was involved in car design, and who came home with a car within two years of the 39/45 war. Previous only one person in the street was able to run car because he needed it for his business which the authorities thought essential to the war effort. Naturally my father's car caused a stir, and all my playmates clamoured for a ride............but not me. I didn't understand what the fuss was about, and I still don't. Nevertheless my adult mind recognises that cars are wonderfully useful and adaptable, but the issue now is that people use them when other means of transport (walking, cycling, public transport) are the better solution. Why, for example, do people drive into the heart of London when walking, cycling and public transport are better solutions? Which is the sort of issue David Eden was raising about a 10 minute walk. You might say why worry about it if people want to spend their money on the fuel and maintenance of a car? To which I say: "What about poor air quality, the use of resources unnecessarily, the lack of exercise, and the fact that on a residential estate like ours, the freedom of 'kids' to play in the streets, as I did as...
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author David Hughes
    • 02 Dec 2019 22:25
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • 5. Out of interest, why do you "feel for" this person when there is no evidence that it is anything but abject laziness simply shirking a 10 minute walk? Given the traffic surveys presented highlighted that the primary concern, from the govt's point of view, is the large proportion of car journeys for walkable distances. His reasoning may be disability, but it seems you've assumed what fits your rhetoric. 7. Cycle lanes were fully consulted upon, were they not? And that "vast opposition" mainly came from spurious surveys by failed MP David Burrowes. A Councillor that specifically ran on an anti-cycle lane mandate lost completely too. Which suggests the opposition, whilst visceral, isn't are widespread as some like to suggest. Bit like how the SOGL lot lost their Court case and got costs against them....
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author David Eden
    • 02 Dec 2019 13:53
    • GLA signals support for Southgate Office Village p...
    • Great intelligent rational and objective response from the GLA. Cutting the rubbish out the N***Y arguments. 35% affordable housing without taxpayer cash subsidising it that's fully policy compliant. Minimal impact on local "heritate assets" outweigh but dropping a large amount of affordable housing and some decent attractive offices that might encourage inward investment rather than just run-down cheap rubbish. Typical tosh from the Southgate "We only represent the views of locals so long as they are anti-development" Civic Trust". I love Southgate but it is NOT a village. I know the V word has become very fashionable of late, based on successes like Marylebone, Highgate etc, but this is Southgate not Muswell Hill. Not even a hint of a village vibe! It's a standard local commercial centre.
    • In Planning and Development / Planning & Development: Miscellaneous subjects
    • Author David Eden
    • 02 Dec 2019 13:39
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • You'd think that drivers would see traffic control features like 'speed humps' as a reminder/reason to drive at not more than the displayed speed, but evidence seems to suggest that they see them as an annoying impediment. Instead most vehicles seem to accelerate the moment the rear wheels hit the ordinary road surface after the hump. I interpret that to mean that they either believe their own thoughts about streets, if they have any, to be the legitimate ones, or they don't think at all. Which is just another way of saying what Alex Lyness said in the previous contribution to this thread. That being the case it's probable that the only answer is to stop or photograph the culprits which would be an expensive business.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author David Hughes
    • 30 Nov 2019 22:52
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • I just wanted to say that you might be forgiven for thinking that there is not so much active opposition to the proposed original plan and the revised plan that appears on this forum because of the low volume of people voicing their concerns on this forum. That is because the people with children or elderly parents and also working parents don’t have as much time to engage on this forum to share the reality of our time poor lives such as 1. Muggings forcing us to pick up our children 2. Needing to get to and from work, visit elderly relatives or shop in between homework and cooking dinner and going to whatever sports training or activities our children take part in. 3. Traffic will evaporate — I find that Bourne Hilll, the High street and Cannon Hill (Presumably others too) are massively congested at present. And google maps, Waze etc will ensure that if volume drops, commuters will quickly fill the void. 4. Three w9 buses an hour, when they come, is not an adequate alternative 5. people who find walking or cycling difficult or impossible are ignored by the scheme . I feel for the poor person who wrote about having to drive to Aldermans Hill pharmacy. A few people on here...
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Ann Jones
    • 30 Nov 2019 20:29
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • A couple of assumptions here that don't survive closer scrutiny. Alex Lyness , and I'm sure that he's not the only person who works or has a young family who favours this scheme or something similar. Turning to the claim that "a vast majority of us need to drive on a daily basis", this is simply untrue. Quite a few people do, of course, but I imagine that the majority of people living in the affected area don't. People who work. Anyone working in central London would almost certainly use public transport to get to work, and for that large category of people there is no "need" to drive to get to Southgate or Palmers Green stations from anywhere in the neighbourhood. If you can't walk, there are buses within ten minutes' walk of everywhere in the area. Or you can get on a bike. I'd be very surprised if anyone living less than ten minutes on foot from one of those stations would drive there, and that accounts for a lot of the houses in the area. People with young families. Again, some will need to drive, but many won't. Again, there are buses within easy reach and services round here are very good. It's an easy assumption to make that most families having cars has made their...
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author PGC Webmaster
    • 29 Nov 2019 23:38
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • Let's remember this thread is about a Quieter Neighbourhood; namely making life better on the streets where we live. Which in turn means excluding cars/drivers who are not driving to a destiny within the neighbourhood. Sure vehicles, including heavy lorries, need to enter, but the primary need is to reduce unnecessary vehicle movements creating better lives, especially for children, who have suffered most from the car-age. Kids, of an age to be decided by parents, should be at play in a streets like these.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author David Hughes
    • 29 Nov 2019 21:54
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • Roger - My wife and I fit both of those groups (we have a young child and both work full time in central London) and we are strongly in favour of reducing levels of traffic and pollution in our streets - so we do exist. The level, speed and size of traffic passing by our front windows are too high for a residential street in my opinion. This is is despite the presence of speed humps on our road which mostly mean people slowing down and then accelerating aggressively. It’s why I can’t see how the alternative suggestions of speed humps and cameras I’ve seen across the various forums will solve the problem.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Alex Lyness
    • 29 Nov 2019 21:12
    • Plans for Fox Lane low-traffic neighbourhood publi...
    • David, Its not arbitrary resistance to change. Please don't misunderstand that the considerable resistnace to the scheme is due to laziness or arrogance per your examples. The majority of people resisting the proposals are mainly doing so because they have to drive in their daily lives for a range of reasons (both parents work and schools far away, elderly, disabled, poor bus services etc). For those of us who have to drive on a daily basis, the proposals risk making us a bigger part of the environmental problem than we already are by forcing much longer journeys in already congested streets. As environmentalists with young asthmatic children this is heartbreaking. Even my 6 year old has pointed out that our longer journeys to school will be bad for the environment. And, no, cycling with them both attached to my bicycle on a round trip of 6 miles when both parents work is not an option. And yes, they are too young for the buses by themselves. Please show some respect and understanding for the MANY who are troubled by the proposals.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author David Berkovitch
    • 29 Nov 2019 15:56
    • Developers to exhibit details of proposed Arnos Gr...
    • My approach to this is very straightforward: London needs homes more than stimulants to drive a car about shedding minute fragments of tyres and, currently, exhaust gases, which are good for no one's health. And bear in mind that down in the heart of London the Mayor is busy finding ways to limit car use there. Integrated policies for a city must be a good thing. There is though a problem. Which is that people who currently park near the station may well have chosen their current homes knowing that the parking will be available. Which in turn may mean adjustments of bus routes or other approaches I haven't thought about, plus secure cycle storage - I have a white-collar neighbour who rides a small motorbike into central London every day. There is a lot which can be done.
    • In Planning and Development / Planning & Development: Miscellaneous subjects
    • Author David Hughes
    • 27 Nov 2019 21:56
    • Developers to exhibit details of proposed Arnos Gr...
    • My own unresolved reaction to this proposal was helped at the weekend by a press article highlighting a new 1000 people / 636 household estate in the USA. It’ll be car free and parking nearby will be banned under terms in your lease. The space that would have been for parking will be turned over to shops, green space and a plaza. There’ll be designated spots for ride sharing pick-ups. Residents are to be encouraged to travel by foot, bike, scooter, bus or taxi. The aim, “to remake cities for people not cars” and “we want our residents to see life from their doorstep, not struck behind a windshield”. As the developer also added, “we are seeing the first generation of people choosing not to own cars”. Putting your money where your mouth is I guess.
    • In Planning and Development / Planning & Development: Miscellaneous subjects
    • Author Karl Brown
    • 27 Nov 2019 18:00

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