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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Residents are friendly. Palmers Green feels like a safe place to live. Lots of people care about the area. There is a good park. The farmers’ market, if it can survive. Waitrose!

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The high street is dangerous to cross. There are no zebra or ‘green man’ crossings from Hazlewood Lane to the northern end of the high street. Crossing the road to visit the park if one comes from Old Park Road/Lakeside or Grovelands Road, or to go from Broomfield Avenue to Palmers Green station is very dangerous. Traffic appears to have priority over pedestrians. There are too many shops that are all the same (e.g. nail bars; convenience stores, estate agents), and not enough variety. The lack of vision for people who think they have the interest of the community at heart, when they just want to preserve the status quo, Insufficient schools for children from a secular background.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Traffic calming measures and improved crossings in the areas highlighted above. Increase in variety of shops – could businesses be offered ‘pop up’ shops, low rents, to encourage them? Increase in school places for children from a secular background.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Definitely de-clutter, but add some green – hanging baskets for example?

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Looking forward to getting a tree planted here.

 

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Main features:  Park, train station leading to high road.  These need to be united features with outstanding linking shops and architecture that become a talking point for the new Palmers Green

Broomfield Park, Hazelwood Rec. Park, Train station, Waitrose, Baskervilles Tea Shop, North London Hospice Shop.

Use of primary schools performing in parks/triangle.  Community spirit at designated times of year, e.g. Christmas.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Unsightly officially ‘disused large property’ on the junction of Green Lanes (opposite the library).  This property is clearly used as a squat along with the poor attempt to develop the back area of this as a hand car wash business.

Litter created directly by McDonalds customers.  Every Saturday/Sunday morning at 8am I walk from Hamilton Crescent to the High Rd.  The area is a mess all the way with McDonalds packaging.  This mess goes as far as Broomfield Park.  A collector should be deployed from the company as far afield as Hamilton Crescent to Broomfield Park to ensure that their rubbish is not our first sight in the morning.

Reckless driving speeds in residential areas and along the main high street.  A low police presence since the loss of the community officer Andy who was a significant public figure.

Dangerous breed dogs being taken off leashes in Hazelwood recreation Park & Broomfield Park.   Children have been prevented from using the area properly and inconsiderate use in this area also in the form of broken glass left for sustained periods, fly tipping weekly at the entrance to Hazelwood Rec by the river and owners not removing dog mess. Again the community officer was a significant figure in local parks when he was in post – has he been replaced?

Extremely uninviting local pubs in Palmers Green.  A good sized local pub that caters for all can be the centrepoint in a place where there is no centre point (Palmers Green).  Who owns the pubs, would they consider a similar business model/design taken by The Salisbury or any of the pubs near the Green in Winchmore Hill.  I would go to Winchmore Hill to a pub to get one that is child friendly for food during the day and inviting at night, e.g. The Salisbury.  The Alfred Herring attracts alcoholics as opposed to social drinkers.  When taking my 5 year old son Christmas shopping we were confronted with a pub customer who collapsed in the walk from the pub to store 21.  Paramedics were called at 1pm.  They must be monitored more closely and threatened with closure.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Features that show a long term future for families to stay.  There is currently no feature as a statement that the secondary school children do anything for the local community (see comment re. Sculpture competition that could be sponsored by a local business).  I would like the image of the 2 local non-denomination secondary schools (Broomfield/Winchmore schools) enhanced so that people consider the possibility of staying here long term.  A main feature sculpture would go a long way to making them and the local residents feel proud.

A community centre for a range of activities.  Who owns the disused site opposite the library an on Green Lanes?  This would be a good site for a community centre for a range of services.  A similar approach to the fantastic Children’s centre on Hazelwood Lane but catering for youth and older members of the community.

There are a number of cyclists in Palmers Green but we have to travel to Winchmore Hill for a bicycle shop.  Family friendly stores.  A children’s art and craft shop, traditional toy store.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Speeding motorists in Palmers Green seems applicable to young and old drivers.  How can this be changed?

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Adequate

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

The disused public toilets on the triangle.  This could be considered for removal and could allow for a more slightly centre point to the town, e.g. a landscaped garden with a sculpture from a local community project (could be used as a local school competition like the art project in Sainsbury’s Winchmore Hill).

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Dirty.  In need of modernisation.  Too many ‘Pound’ and non-descript shops.  Shop that offer ‘Mobile phone Unlocking’ should be banned – this service would only be required if a phone had been stolen (I have addressed this with the police and they agree but cannot prevent the service).  As residents we should not buy from these stores.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Type of shops - Too many betting shops.  Discourages families from using the area due to the congregation of male groups outside smoking etc...

A quality Deli would be good.  Currently I travel to the one located next to the Salisbury pub on a weekly basis and would much prefer to use one in Palmers Green.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Adequate

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

The disused public toilets on the triangle.  This could be considered for removal and could allow for a more slightly centre point to the town, e.g. a landscaped garden with a sculpture from a local community project (could be used as a local school competition like the art project in Sainsbury’s Winchmore Hill).

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Every lamppost should have seasonal flowers where possible.  Actual bedded areas built along the main high road would also be positive.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

A reasonably wide range of accessible shops, restaurants and services.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The whole high street looks a bit down-at-heel.  Too many nail bars, coffee bars, pound shops, cheap fashion outlets and betting shops.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

More street trees and planters; pavement café; wine bar (the old Grouts would have been  brilliant); delicatessen; more up-market and individual shops generally, like at Muswell Hill

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

More individual shops, like at Winchmore Hill and Muswell Hill. Better clothes stores. The opening of Waitrose was a big improvement

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

The look of the pavements is spoilt by all the chewing gums marks and people spitting – disgusting!!

The wider parts of pavement could be used for more floral displays. The displays either end of the high street, at Hedge Lane and the Triangle badly need re-doing and improving

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

The loss of the beautiful old tree at the Triangle has left a terrible gap, both visually and emotionally.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Much more needed, with more imaginative planting design and good maintenance.

 

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

The park

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Scruffy, lots of traffic, not much parking although I usually walk or take the bus.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Cleaner pavements and streets, some free short term parking, traffic calming of some sort, maybe more seating.

Need to sort out unused public conveniences which have become an eyesore.

Like to see planters etc. improves and softens the look of the street scene. Maybe absorbs some of the muck from the traffic too?

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Some of the railing posts are probably keeping pedestrians safe in a very busy traffic area.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Not great

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Waitrose, Specsavers, Post office, Red Cross Bookshop, Oxfam, are the main shops I use.   Some of the cafes are nice around the Triangle.  The parking is not too bad although expensive for an hour stay.  Alongside Broomfield Park there are some nice new cafes and restaurants.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The number of horrid nail bars, the lack of a good clothes shop for men, women and children.  It could do with a departmental store like a Pearsons.  Another bookshop and more shoe shops would be nice.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

It could do with a departmental store like a Pearsons.  Another bookshop and more shoe shops would be nice. 

And in my fantasy, a cinema would be fantastic and give teenagers somewhere to go rather than the soulless Odeon on the A10 where there are only chain restaurants to eat.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Parking too expensive but availability generally ok.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

The mix of good quality independent businesses like Olivia Dry Cleaning, More Than Coffee, The Only Place For Pictures, Rimini, Nirvana Health, & Baskervilles, together with decently reliable chains like Starbucks, Waitrose & Morrisons

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The number of betting shops & beauty salons – far too many of both.  The empty/vacant shops, the increasing number of smokers polluting the air outside pubs & cafes, especially The Alfred Herring.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

A real Christmas Tree, & proper amplification & staggered choir area at the Triangle at Christmas time.   An independent Deli on the high street, lots more input & support for the Sunday Market, a decent, modern florist in the main area.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Awful congestion along the park coming towards the library

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

always stressful, always expensive – surely this discourages potential

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

There are some interesting-looking buildings – some of the architecture on view above the shops could be brought back to its original grandeur – e.g keeping clocks in good repair.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

no more betting shops & beauty salons,

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

a space for pub smokers to do so away from the public pavement. 

non-smokers should not have to walk through a fug of smoke just because they are walking along the pavement in their own high street

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

See Christmas tree suggestion – and re-open & maintain the public toilets – or turn them into something else – a grown-up wine bar – not a pub or a chain pub, or a bookshop. Perhaps the Triangle could be used for free-standing ‘pop-up’ shops at weekends – a florist, a crepe seller, etc

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Greenery including flower planters:  Would be great to see lots of these – uplifting in general, & gives the area a much more cared-for ambience which would encourage shoppers to linger.

 

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Setting including Broomfield Park.  Transport links.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

here is definite feeling it is not safe.  The pavements are not clean.  The mix of shops is totally incorrect.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

- Cleaner streets.  More police presence in evenings.  More quality shops.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

I think enough traffic restrictions apply.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Parking is far to costly.  Shoppers should get 1 hour free I feel better going to a shopping centre which has free parking.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

There are more posts then needed.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Need to encourage a better range of shops with more clothing stores.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

This is right.  Should not be increased.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

This space could be much better used and made GREENER.  It is not being used as a public place.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

There should be more greenery.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Restaurants / café with a flavour from different parts of the world.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Rubbish building up round the back of the shops. People dumping outside charity shops when they are shut.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Cleaner streets.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

A greater range of shops would help – book shop and toy shop particularly

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Not very attractive. It could do with a face-lift.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

The parks and cafes in the local area

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The amount of rubbish, the state of the various alley ways, which are covered with dog mess, the number of charity shops and the disrepair of many of the shops on the main road.

The number of youths standing about at the top of Hazelwood Lane and near MacDonald’s who are selling drugs – my own children have been asked to buy etc.

The number of mental health units that have opened up in the area, particularly around Fox Lane, Bourne Hill and Burford Gardens. There are lots of adults poorly supervised, wearing clothes that don’t cover them, talking to themselves, out late at night shouting in the middle of the road etc

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Reduced shop rates to encourage more businesses to set up, more street cleaning and rubbish collections, improved paving and general walk ways. More police presence at night to prevent selling of drugs etc.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

The use of the side roads as a cut through and the speed of cars is an issue for most of us living on these ‘rat runs’

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

the problem with parking, including the cost of parking which has gone up again.

Too expensive and very well controlled where there are cost /benefits for the council but parking on double yellow lines on side roads or double parking to collect from church is never controlled by parking wardens.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

The shop fronts should be maintained to preserve the Edwardian heritage that is the hall mark of the area.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Reduce shop rates / rents – give incentives – reduce parking costs. No more betting shops

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

What public space? It’s just a space        

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Could do with more

 

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Having lived in Palmers Green for 40 years, it has lost a lot of charm over time but is still a nice area with lots of potential!!  People are nice and there are good schools, nice parks and generally a good feel but the High Street is lacking in having any positive charms.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The amount of cheap shops, charity shops and the awful shop fronts of many make the area look slightly run-down and struggling.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Nice niche shops, Baskervilles is a great example of a good idea with a tasteful shop front and welcoming staff.  More niche, boutique type shops would be an asset to Palmers Green.  Get rid of the kebab shops, pound shops and give us more small specialist shops like Cheese shops, gift shops, pretty tea/coffee shops.  Give Palmers Green more of a village feel like Winchmore Hill Green.

Trios is a great space for a party but actually looks pretty ugly and un-inviting.  This could certainly make more of an effort for the residents of Palmers Green that are not Greek!!  There are so few venues where you can hold parties or gatherings and this could be one but has never felt very welcoming.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Parking could be easier – with less constrictions but traffic is OK.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Parking costs are high at £1.20 per hour along the main street.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Haven’t really noticed.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

:  Bring back good old fashioned shop fronts which entice you in rather than horrible modern shop-fronts which are an eye-sore to the area.  All shops should be made to look similar and have village feel characteristics.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Shops that you can browse around or specifically visit Palmers Green to buy things from.  Why did the lovely book shop ever go, Grouts (used to be fantastic for haberdashery etc)?  We need specialist book shops, cheese shops, gift shops, art supplies, craft shops (like Bodwins – Southgate), more select coffee shops like Baskervilles not High Street chains.  More varied restaurants.  More child-friendly establishments.  Clown Town (although cleaned up) is still pretty depressing and could have a great, cheap restaurant and coffee shop in there – it could do with a complete make-over and staff that actually like their job!!  It could also offer other alternative for children’s parties like plate painting, craft workshops.  Parking in the Car Park is expensive when going to a childs party and Clown Town should offer some sort of discount to its customers when parking there.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

The amount and use of pavement space:  There could be more use made of the pavements for having coffees and the Farmers Market could be extended on a Sunday morning to the Triangle and outside the job-centre, Top Electrical and the Photography shop.  The pavements are wide enough there and people could then actually see the market rather than it be hidden away in the station car park.  Passing trade would then increase and put the Farmers Market on the map as a place to visit on a Sunday morning.  Open the Farmers Market up to entice local craft makers to display their goods.  The current Farmers Market is depressing, has no atmosphere and not enough stalls with variations to make me want to visit.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

More flowers and planting.  This is the focal point of Palmers Green and it looks miserable.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

The baskets hanging in the Summer are lovely but we could do with some more.

Any other comments

I oppose the building of flats at Broomfield House in Broomfield Park.  This beautiful building could be refurbished and become a focal point in the area for weddings, christenings, parties, conferences – there could be a fantastic restaurant here with facilities for childrens parties, celebrations. 

The Fox could be refurbished and made similar to the Kings Head in Winchmore Hill.  It looks grubby and again is a focal point in Palmers Green.  The food is good in there but having discussed with lots of local people it looks like it needs a complete make-over and stops people going in there.

Westlakes is a brilliant shop but looks out of date and is not very enticing – a lost opportunity I would say to really get this business off the ground.  The opening hours could be extended and they could offer a refund on parking if people use the store and spend over £10.00.  They have a prime spot in Palmers Green and do not appear to be utilising it to its best.  They could open on Sundays for people that just need some DIY but don’t want to have to go to B&Q, Homebase etc.

Baskervilles has definitely got the right idea and if more businesses followed on the back of them Palmers Green would be on the map as a lovely place to park up and walk around

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Whilst easy to criticise the High Street i do find we actually use it more than we have other areas where we have lived. Whatever your views on Waitrose and Starbucks as brands they are premises that attract you to the area for shopping and one hopes people then remain and explore other shops in the vicinity.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

With some notable exceptions the quality and standard of shops is poor which is matched by their old fashioned approach to service and upkeep. The prominence of charity shops and the smoking area outside the Weatherspoons are not appealing to many with regards to spending time on the street.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

I would love to see an encouragement of independent retailers and more entrepreneurial approach to letting of retail. The early success of Baskervilles demonstrates what can be achieved in the area with the right mix of attitude, skill and product. Likewise ‘Cuts on Hill’, if the high street could take some of this flavour from Aldermans hill it would make an incredible difference.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

From a personal perspective I only really have issue with the feeder roads onto the High street - Hazelwood, Park Ave, etc where the meter parking at the top of the roads causes constant blockage and regular road rage (from other drivers i hasten to add!) I do feel that the turning into Lodge Drive from Green Lanes (in front of McDonalds) is a bit of a death trap for pedestrians crossing.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

We are lucky enough to have off street parking but I am a supporter of permit parkings if there is appetite in the area.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

the higher floors of the buildings around the triangle are actually of architectural interest, unfortunately poor upkeep and a lack uniformity diminishes that attraction considerably

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Rimini, Baskervilles, Kouzina, Khin Lee, etc all appear to take an interest in the community and appeal. Other shops have a distinct niche (the red cross book shop) or approach (Westlakes) to service that will attract customers from further afield. As i mentioned i believe that Waitrose, Sommerfield, Starbucks and even (regrettably) McDonalds have an important role to play to attract people to the area in the first place. The disappointment is in the rest of the high street that are tired and barely interested (some of the hair salons, the kebab shops, the likes of Boots and Store 21, etc) in the added value that a uniformed approach would bring.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Have lived here two years and I amfraid I still havent crossed that space (although it did look pleasent at Xmas)

Any other comments

I wish you all the best and if i can provide any help or assistance please ask. I own a small barbers in the city of london so appreciate that it wouldnt be easy negotiating with a large number of landlords but even a small difference to the high street should result in a positive experience for all. Good luck.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Commuting links to the City and connections (via Finsbury Park) to West End.

Parks and its sports infrastructure (tennis and basketball courts, football grounds)

Proximity to North Circular Road

Variety of shops

Good schools (St Monica’s RC, St Anne’s, PG Girls’ School)

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Excessive amount of charity and discount shops on the high street

Excessive proportion of DSS inhabitants due to social housing availability

Lack of visible police patrolling especially in evenings and overnight

Selective parking restrictions (some streets have parking permits, some don’t- try parking if you live on the street that doesn’t!)

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Quality of shops and dining areas (although appreciate this is local demand driven)

More police visibility

Uniform parking restrictions

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

The Xmas tree over there is lovely.  Otherwise not sure what the purpose of the triangle is. Have the toilets there ever been open?

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

The variety of places to meet, eat and drink. The park is an amazing asset and is well used and maintained. The work on the conservatory and orchard are brilliant and each visit develops a new idea. I especially liked the art/craft sessions observed in the palm house.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The new mix of shops needs to be kept in a bace while I enjoy having the choice I feel bad for the busissiness that does not succeed.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

The maintainance of empty buildings, pavement and street furniture placed to allow the pedestrians to  walk safely.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Traffic is generally too fast.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Parking is generally ok. Morrison's car park is rather over eager to place fines. I know of 2 older people who have had tickets while just shopping in their store abd usuing their restaurant. 2 hours is not enough when shopping for ones self , other elderly friends/family when not so fast ourselves. The street parking has gone up considerabllly in the last few years, but it shows that the facilities are being used regularly...it would be sad to see many parking spaces too often.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Oh yes as already mentioned. Especially near the triangle.

The 'toilets' and the crossing area are not well appointed/situated for ease of crossing

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

> MacDonald car park is rather tucked away and the walk access is not very pleaasant. Needs revamping.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

It is nice to seee flower plants hanging around the shopping centre. Maybe they could be sponsored or maintained by business/residents/students on gardening training.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Generally well presented apart from comments on pavements below – parks and green areas are excellent. It is a community not just a faceless commuter area for London

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The pavements are generally in dirty condition with dog mess being left for many days before being washed away by the rain not actually cleared away. The refuse collection teams also leave a lot of rubbish in their rush to finish their work

The Council seem to want to get as much money from parking without taking into account the needs of local business

The granting of inappropriate building in area such as proposed in green lanes

Too much street furniture and signs on pavement that could be reduced without loss of amenity

Too high rates which means that national chains and restaurants are the only shops that thrive in the area

Poor main post office where we were promised better service , longer hours and renovated premises when service and facilities ./ state of property has got a lot worse

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Sort out the traffic problems especially at green lanes / hedge lane end in the mornings – speeding in Hedge Lane

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

We have been trying to get changes to Hedge Lane for years but the Council make promises and proposals at public meetings which mysteriously disappear when the consultative document is sent to the public e.g roundabout / and or traffic lights at Firs Road. A lack of willingness generally for all the various representative bodies to sit down together and thrash out the problems. The inability to want to SPEND MONEY to rectify traffic problems in this whole area. Simple things like rephasing the traffic lights at hedge lane / green lanes junctions to help congestion. No problem getting anything related to earning income for the Council like parking enforcement cameras and number recognition cars

Changing to Policing so that when there is a serious accident unless someone is very seriously injured or killed the accidents are no longer properly investigated and drivers get away with dangerous / careless driving because the Police want to save money  - Very little attempt to catch drivers who speed. One Police camera car for the whole of North London !  Council road surveys showed that speeding was a serious problem in certain roads in Palmers Green but nothing has been done to rectify the problem

No real Police action on the streets dealing with speeding issues. What speed traps there have been have been at the wrong time of day and very visible so they don’t catch anyone Speeding is worse early morning and in evenings cant just police speeding 9-5

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

This is a major problem. Parking not that long ago was free in Palmers Green – Then came the meters and enforcement and not the Council are using increased parking charges to try to fill a black hole in their accounts – Much hated issue with residents of the area seen as a cash generating source for Council at penal rates

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

You could lose 50% of all signs etc in Palmers Green without missing them. Some signs are unnecessary  for example camera warning sign outside the telephone exchange. There has never been a camera anywhere near that area!

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Generally has improved but some shop owners / building owners should be made to improve the facades and cleanliness outside their properties. Also some shops should not be allowed to encroach too far on to the pavement

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Too many major chains and restaurants. We are going the same way as Southgate with more units being for night hours than during the day – too many nail bars – hairdressers and coffee shops – too little variety in shopping – no butcher – no fish shop – etc Council should help promote the farmers market – themed market days in the shopping area e,g French or German or Christmas market / events

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Too cluttered with signs and on certain days rubbish

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

: loss of tree very disappointing not sure a clock is right answer but it does need something as a focal point  –reinstate and  man the public toilets.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

These are good when they are kept tidy. Hanging baskets are excellent

Any other comments

Local business associate does a good job promoting Palmers Green – Council needs to do more to support them not hinder them ( parking charges and residents parking issues)

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Broomfield Park, some nice restaurants, 2 libraries, good choice of supermarkets and chemists

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Selection of shops on the high road is very poor – far too many charity shops, hairdressers, dry cleaners.  No independent shops, absolutely no shops selling childrens clothes, no large clothes chains, such as River Island, Next, Gap which would encourage trade within the area.

Repeated dog fouling in my area (Kingsley Road/Hazelwood Lane area) is a big problem, which I have contacted the council about more than once – I don’t believe the roads are swept as often as they should be.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Better shops. Restricted parking in Kingsley Road/Hazelwood lane at certain times during the day.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Parking in my road is awful – and even worse at the beginning and end of the school day when parents from Hazelwood School park with little thought for the residents (blocking in driveways etc).

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

I do wonder how people manage to get financed by banks when they wander in with a business plan for yet another hairdressers/coffee shop/dry cleaners – we are swamped with them

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Looked lovely at Christmas with the lit tree decoration

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Main features:  Park, train station leading to high road.  These need to be united features with outstanding linking shops and architecture that become a talking point for the new Palmers Green

Broomfield Park, Hazelwood Rec. Park, Train station, Waitrose, Baskervilles Tea Shop, North London Hospice Shop.

Use of primary schools performing in parks/triangle.  Community spirit at designated times of year, e.g. Christmas.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Unsightly officially ‘disused large property’ on the junction of Green Lanes (opposite the library).  This property is clearly used as a squat along with the poor attempt to develop the back area of this as a hand car wash business.

Litter created directly by McDonalds customers.  Every Saturday/Sunday morning at 8am I walk from Hamilton Crescent to the High Rd.  The area is a mess all the way with McDonalds packaging.  This mess goes as far as Broomfield Park.  A collector should be deployed from the company as far afield as Hamilton Crescent to Broomfield Park to ensure that their rubbish is not our first sight in the morning.

Reckless driving speeds in residential areas and along the main high street.  A low police presence since the loss of the community officer Andy who was a significant public figure.

Dangerous breed dogs being taken off leashes in Hazelwood recreation Park & Broomfield Park.   Children have been prevented from using the area properly and inconsiderate use in this area also in the form of broken glass left for sustained periods, fly tipping weekly at the entrance to Hazelwood Rec by the river and owners not removing dog mess. Again the community officer was a significant figure in local parks when he was in post – has he been replaced?

Extremely uninviting local pubs in Palmers Green.  A good sized local pub that caters for all can be the centrepoint in a place where there is no centre point (Palmers Green).  Who owns the pubs, would they consider a similar business model/design taken by The Salisbury or any of the pubs near the Green in Winchmore Hill.  I would go to Winchmore Hill to a pub to get one that is child friendly for food during the day and inviting at night, e.g. The Salisbury.  The Alfred Herring attracts alcoholics as opposed to social drinkers.  When taking my 5 year old son Christmas shopping we were confronted with a pub customer who collapsed in the walk from the pub to store 21.  Paramedics were called at 1pm.  They must be monitored more closely and threatened with closure.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Features that show a long term future for families to stay.  There is currently no feature as a statement that the secondary school children do anything for the local community (see comment re. Sculpture competition that could be sponsored by a local business).  I would like the image of the 2 local non-denomination secondary schools (Broomfield/Winchmore schools) enhanced so that people consider the possibility of staying here long term.  A main feature sculpture would go a long way to making them and the local residents feel proud.

A community centre for a range of activities.  Who owns the disused site opposite the library an on Green Lanes?  This would be a good site for a community centre for a range of services.  A similar approach to the fantastic Childrens centre on Hazelwood Lane but catering for youth and older members of the community.

There are a number of cyclists in Palmers Green but we have to travel to Winchmore Hill for a bicycle shop.  Family friendly stores.  A children’s art and craft shop, traditional toy store.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Speeding motorists in Palmers Green seems applicable to young and old drivers.  How can this be changed?

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Adequate

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

The disused public toilets on the triangle.  This could be considered for removal and could allow for a more slightly centrepoint to the town, e.g. a landscaped garden with a sculpture from a local community project (could be used as a local school competition like the art project in Sainsbury’s Winchmore Hill).

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Dirty.  In need of modernisation.  Too many ‘Pound’ and non-descript shops.  Shop that offer ‘Mobile phone Unlocking’ should be banned – this service would only be required if a phone had been stolen (I have addressed this with the police and they agree but cannot prevent the service).  As residents we should not buy from these stores.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Too many betting shops.  Discourages families from using the area due to the congregation of male groups outside smoking etc...

A quality Deli would be good.  Currently I travel to the one located next to the Salisbury pub on a weekly basis and would much prefer to use one in Palmers Green.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Adequate

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

The disused public toilets on the triangle.  This could be considered for removal and could allow for a more slightly centrepoint to the town, e.g. a landscaped garden with a sculpture from a local community project (could be used as a local school competition like the art project in Sainsbury’s Winchmore Hill).

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Every lamppost should have seasonal flowers where possible.  Actual bedded areas built along the main high road would also be positive.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

The lovely old houses and buildings in the high street, the shops and restaurants.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Far too much signage and railings everywhere. The loss of the huge tree at Aldermans hill triangle is a huge blow. I counted 48 signs and railings in this small area alone. The Victorian toilets should either be opened again or got rid of, along with the monstrous 70’s style flower beds. Put in a new large tree and a clocktower as soon as possible.

Far too many betting shops in palmers green- at least x10 now- council should close some down. Gangs (groups of 20-30 intimidating youths) regularly congregate outside McDonalds and strong smell of cannabis pervades the air. WHERE ARE THE POLICE OR COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICERS?

Dog muck on pavements outside starbucks- police and council should fine owners and confiscate dangerous dogs that abound in the area

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

A replacement tree for the one enfield council cut down last year (alderman’s hill) and a large clocktower like crouch end.

Better and more policing

Remove all pedestrian railings and pointless signage

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Disappointing increase in car parking fare in car park behind waitrose-this has resulted in less people coming to palmers green

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Far too much signage at alderman’s hill triangle and pointless pedestrian railings. Adults and children do not need railings everywhere. Westminster council has started to take their railings down and no of accidents has fallen as a result!

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Every year Enfield council allows developers to pull down lovely old historic buildings- for example the old Edwardian houses just up from Truro House, now all demolished, or the MONSTROUS construction opposite the library, completely out of synch with PG architecture. How could you have allowed this to happen? Lovely Edwardian windows pulled out of shop front by Italian Furniture shopholder who put in appalling double glazing then went bust (this shop now empty and covered in picture of broomfield park. It used to have magnificent bulging Edwardian windows)

The Fox pub looks really tired and tatty and in desperate need of refurbishment.

Soon I expect enfield council will demolish the old southgate town hall building adjacent the library and build some awful flats. Little by little you are pulling the front teeth of PG one by one. SHAME ON THE COUNCILLORS, SHAME ON YOU. Just look at what you have destroyed by looking at some old photos of PG

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Shut down betting shops and reduce rental costs to encourage diversity.

No one likes or uses ICELAND- can’t we have M+S here?

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

- in desperate need of a re-design, including a new large tree and a focal point such as a clocktower. The awful 70s concrete flower basins should be replaced along with the unnecessary railings.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

More flower baskets would be welcome

Any other comments

The beautiful old clock above the electrical shop opposite store 21 is not working and should be repaired and restored to full working order.

Truro House remains derelict and is currently being occupied by squatters- you can see them in there, they have mains electricity and even satellite tv! Council should take action to re-possess and restore this lovely old house (and I don’t mean demolish and convert into flats)

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

It’s multi-cultural and there are very good transport links to London and surrounding areas. It’s lively and there are lots of restaurants and pubs and a fair selection of shops. There are lots of parks/greenspace in the surrounding area which is excellent.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

It’s a bit worrying to read in a lavatory toilet of one of the restaurants ‘No drugs will be tolerated’.

Sometimes the drug dealing is quite brazen.

I moved into Palmers Green in the summer 2011 – Hazelwood Lane. Sometimes there is a lot of dog mess on the pavements which are also very uneven.

The residential roads can look quite ‘scruffy’ with trees roots growing through the pavements which are often uneven and hazardous and roadsigns very hard to read as they are broken.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

I’m hopeful the new bins will come soon as lots of debris is blown around the roads from the current boxes.

The bin men are excellent and always take everything which is put out for collection by residents.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Given that parking is so restricted in the high street why not make it loading and disabled only parking and make sure there are enough parking spaces around the town centre.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

This is one aspect which I think lets the town down with some areas looking fairly down at heal and tatty.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

We don’t need any more charity shops!!! I realise they serve a function but can add to the general feeling of poverty in an area.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

The parks, library and architecture of the buildings.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The no of local shops that have closed down and been replaced by takeaways, charity and pound saver shops which has resulted in an increased level of rubbish in the streets in particular the high street and greatly reduced the community spirit I encountered when I moved here in 2000.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

A return to local one off traders, no more land sold off to developers and more functions held in public areas to try to regain the sense of community spirit that has been lost.

The law to follow through when people have ignored things such as obtaining planning permission/abiding by planning regulations. If an extension/outbuilding does not comply then it should either be changed to comply or pulled down.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Speed cameras should be erected on some of the minor roads, traffic can speed through these and there are doe as there are a number of elderly people and children.

The Cambridge Road underpass to be made safe, to be kept clear of drug users, gangs, alcoholics and rubbish.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Increased parking for shoppers using high street.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Shop goods to be displayed in shop not on pavement, a return to local traders rather than the level of takeaways/cheap shops which should result in a cleaner area.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

A return to local one off traders i.e. butcher’s, haberdashers. Increased parking, financial incentive i.e. grants/reduced rates.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

More greenery which would make the area look more welcoming and cared for.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

•             Mixed, tolerant community with good access to local and London-wide services.

•             Reasonably wide and leafy streets

•             Proximity to Broomfield Park

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

•             Traffic-related issues, including –

o             Air quality

o             Speed

o             Parking

•             Stark and obvious inequalities even within Palmers Green, never mind borough-wide.

•             Threats to education (free schools), library (fended off for the moment) and health (Chase Farm) services.

•             Litter.

•             Lack of public engagement in planning process.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

See comments on traffic, and clutter, but also a co-ordinated approach to the redevelopment of Southgate Town Hall, Broomfield House and Truro House. Piecemeal proposals have not worked and threaten to blight the area.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

•             Twenty’s plenty, at least in residential streets.

•             Encouragement of public transport use.

•             Encouragement of hybrid and electric vehicles, with adequate provision of charging points.

•             Discouragement of the use of highly polluting vehicles such as 4x4s.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Parking charges and enforcement are essential to preventing the streets from turning into a Clarksonesque nightmare.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

If it is unnecessary it should not be there. But what test is to be applied to advertising, which is also too prominent and destroys the look and feel of the area?

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Palmers Green is not Venice, but new development should be reasonably in keeping.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

It would be good to see more development of pavement cafes, particularly at the Triangle, and not just the few tables placed outside for smokers.        The cost of removing litter from flower beds and elsewhere should be borne by those who sell the cans and cartons in question.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

It’s open, not too crowded and still retains character unlike many of the new shopping developments which are more or less all the same. Some of the shops are very unique like the arty and antique shops.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

There are very few special events taking place there, a lot of the food shops are greek/Turkish so there isn’t much diversity and the streets/pavements ect are fairly dull and boring, the place lacks culture and doesn’t feel as unique as some of the shops suggest it could be.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

More community events would bring people into the place and liven it up a bit ! there are 2 large churches and a big pub near by which could be used to help with these. The place feels like it could be special but at the moment nothing makes it special.  More decoration on the streets, eg flowers/sculptures/fountains that sort of thing to make the area welcoming and feel special to come to. Bigger diversity in shops, and more unique shops. Also get some of the businesses with the large front gardens to tidy them up as this makes the area feel tacky.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

): I imagine car noise cant be reduced, and although cobbled streets are nice they may not be suitable so havnt really got any suggestions.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

The pavements could be widened and made nicer. Parking along the main street could be slightly restricted.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Too much clutter on the pavements and its not nice to look at, if it is necessary perhaps it could have hanging baskets on it and be painted. Also all illegal posters hung on streetlights ext need to be removed as soon as they go up as they bring the whole area down.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

: The original architecture makes the area look nice and could be like another Muswell hill if some of the shops didn’t try to “fake modernise” and ruin the character of the street, the pubs and churches in my opinion are the nicest looking buildings, and it would be nice if the rest followed suit, giving the area that local, communal feel, welcoming to new shoppers.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Well as iv mentioned most of the restaurants are of Greek/Turkish origin and the food is great, but I wouldn’t go there for any other type of food, some of the restaurants are excellent quality, and some are cheap and dirty looking. I think we need more diversity, and also more unique shops, while keeping. We also need to keep our large gathring points like the churches and pubs as they are very important for the area in so many ways.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Maybe more benches and flowers would be good.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

I like the triangle, and its tree, some more benches perhaps would be nice, but its already a nice space.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

I feel we need much more flowers and planters (that are maintained every year) and some small trees planted is certain parts of the street, but not to many as a plus point of the street is its brightness. Maybe just in the areas where the pavement is lacking anything but signage.

Any other comments

This is a lovely area but could be of MUCH better use – but please don’t ruin it trying to modernise like so many other areas because it will just look a mess, in my opinion you should enhance what you have

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Good mix of people and amenities, nice housing, parks, shops and restaurants

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Parts are grubby and run down, not enough variety of shops, no female friendly bars or pubs

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

More variety of shops, particularly food shops such as butcher, fishmonger, quality greengrocer. No decent clothes shops or nice gift shops

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Shops are not that appealing, restoring Edwardian shop fronts and architecture (such as Baskervilles) is more beneficial than poor quality shop fronts

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Compact, lending itself to a walking society.  Many streets of pleasant housing. Three parks in the community area, another in walking distance. ‘ High street’ & Alderman’s Hill are of pleasant buildings with enough potential space for social living. The Triangle (potentially). A central railway station.  Reasonable bus routes.  A community which seems reasonably at ease with itself; not high crime (by London’s standards). A library.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Trees apart, nothing done in residential streets to bring out their potential as communities. Key shops have been lost - touchstone: the book shop. In the evening the town centre feels more like Fort Knox than a social space.  Divided into two communities, one each side of Green Lanes.  The North and South wings along Green Lanes are in a curious limbo where frontages are just concrete and cars – an ugly scandal. Lack of pride or care about small spaces which disfigure, e.g. the Fox car park and the street space alongside is just a muddled mess.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

More thought about visual amenity. Measures to integrate east and west communities. A more democratic relationship between pedestrians, cyclists and drivers so that pedestrians and cyclists (particularly kids in these modes) enjoy equal freedom and priority on the streets – traffic speed must be a factor.

Air quality – this is a forgotten national scandal.  Removing impediments to smooth traffic flow like pedestrian crossing or traffic lights would help. Making it easier and more pleasant to walk/cycle ditto.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

In the town and purely residential streets every road user should have an equal right to choose their own route without deviating, for example, to use pedestrian crossings and to avoid pavement railings.  Traffic speed must not intimidate nor kill, which is an issue of speed and road rules.  At 20mph pedestrians suffer little damage.

Unnecessarily large delivery vehicles are an issue.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Short of demolishing attractive buildings or building ugly, congestion forming, multi-storey parking extra space is not possible.  Therefore it’s pointless complaining or trying to compete on parking with out-of-town supermarkets.  Charging is inevitable as part of traffic management and legitimate because drivers not council tax payers create the need.  Palmers Green is a compact area with a relatively dense population which could walk – concentrate on the town’s strength not its limitations.

Activists, shopkeepers, the council, should lobby for the Mary Portas’ recommendation that out-of-town shopping should be required to charge for parking to create a level playing field.

In a town of pleasant buildings and small spaces cars detract.  Work on what the town has – such, as visual amenity - rather than on what can’t be changed.

Maximising passing trade is probably not a good ploy if the aim is to create a pleasant town, but if it must be done make very short stay parking free and rapidly escalate price for longer stays.  Consider using  echelon parking to maximise space, and as a traffic calming measure( unless extra pavement space would do more for business).

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Anything which instructs drivers needs to be removed except direction signs (though perhaps Satnav is removing that need).  Pavement railings must go.  If signs are necessary they should be of consistent design.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Apart from the odd horror, Palmers Green is blessed with its buildings which are broadly of a similar brick and compatible style.  There is much to work with if the Council, businesses and property owners work together to foster a Palmers Green experience. 

By contrast the current jumble of  fascias, often further despoiled by ugly security, can’t be attracting footfall – shop owners should agree an overall plan.  Estate agents and property management companies need to avoid pinning boards to buildings spoiling the visual ambience and convincing prospective buyers/tenants that the town is in decline.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Beyond me, except to say that in some shops staff expertise and helpfulness is key.  I’ve not always found it so.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

- Town centres thrive on footfall so pavements must be as wide and convenient as possible - wide pavements create a boulevard effect.  By contrast through roads need only to be wide enough for one lane of traffic each way, plus loading space if rear of premises loading isn’t feasible.  Wood Green got this right whilst improving pedestrian comfort with a 20mph limit.

Some parking probably has to be sacrificed, but as national statistics show that  driving-to-shop is becoming less popular, and hinterland streets can be made more pedestrian friendly, this loss can be mitigated.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

The famous horse chestnut made this an iconic space, a reputation which shouldn’t be squandered but can’t be preserved in aspic. Replacing the tree, especially as the replacement cannot be a horse chestnut, won’t on its own cut the mustard.

Essentials: remove railings and traffic lights and, as far as possible limit traffic space, to reinforce the idea of a pedestrian space; a 20mph speed limit; evaluation of routes around the town to see whether traffic can be encouraged to avoid using Alderman’s Hill; using surfaces to enhance the idea of a public space; reducing traffic speed to 20mph well back on Alderman’s Hill to ‘bring the park into the town, to include businesses on the ‘Hill’, to improve pedestrian access into the park from the Lakes Estate and beyond.

I worry about creating a cohesive community from the east & west housing, and wonder whether changes could be made at the top of Hazlewood Lane and Lodge Drive (where there is a triangular space), and the street space between Hazlewood Lane and Alderman’s Hill to make a more integrated whole.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Palmers Green is a red brick town formed by buildings with strong lines.  What it needs most is its complementary colour of dark green – details subject to design.

Flowers, as distinct from shrubs, in pots are expensive, need good care, and against a strong background like Palmers Green buildings, are apt to be a disappointment.  Not the best bet except perhaps in cameo roles.

Apparently local traders don’t favour street trees, presumably because they find the daily chore of sweeping away bud cases, dead flowers, and leaves irksome.  What they forget is that people like & are attracted by trees.  Also trees have significant air conditioning and shade effects which in hot summers – more and more likely as climate change grips – make streets more comfortable.  Trees will encourage people to stay in the streets in good weather and attract visitors to: “That pleasant town.”  Note the proximity of parks. Green streets, green parks, pleasant buildings – an opportunity waiting to happen.  But debris from trees does need sweeping away every day.

Any other comments

Pedestrians and public transport are key to a thriving Palmers Green – there isn’t space for a car culture.

If parking is limited free local delivery of heavy items would encourage local purchases.

Recently released statistics confirm that out-of-town shopping is becoming less popular, possibly due to traffic congestion and/or high fuel prices.  The trend for fuel prices and parking charges will be up. 

North and south entry points to Palmers Green at Hedge Lane and Broomfield Lane will need emphasizing in some way, perhaps by doing something with the junctions.  Can the library play a part?

It has always seemed to me that a besetting problem with Palmers Green and elsewhere  is random decisions made without an end in sight – put a sign up here because an accident happened, plant a tree there, a new light here or there, erect a clock tower because someone thought of it, replant a tree before plans for the space have been made.  It’s important to work towards a whole.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Pleasant streets with trees. View of the park from Aldermans Hill. Good, well-kept houses with character. A safe feeling. Reasonable shops, not all national/international chains.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Too much traffic and too many parked cars. Too many gardens paved over. Trees pollarded to within an inch of their lives.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

A 20 mph zone (ideally for the whole borough[/London?]). Streets where people can interact without getting run over.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

It's the cost of parking at out-of-town supermarkets that needs to be addressed

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

There is rather a lot, but as the pavements are wide it's not the problem it might be

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Happy with that

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Encourage individual shops and discourage 'clone-town'.

Better, and cheaper public transport to shops [I am aware this is not within the council's control].

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

No problem

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

- Bring back the public toilets - or if that is not feasible, fill them in and get rid of the clutter above them and replace with another bench (or maybe more than one).

Get rid of the useless 'information board'.

At least the one tree - maybe more.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Good

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

It serves the local community with most shops and services so that they do not have to go further afield.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

- It’s a shame Green Lanes is a main thoroughfare with so much traffic.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

I’m sure something could be done to slow speed down as the cars drive through the shopping centre.  This would make it more conducive to certain activities, such as a sitting/coffee area around The Triangle and further along Alderman’s Hill at the bottom of Old Park Road.

Benches to sit and have a chat, more trees and greenery to make it cooler in the summer and more attractive.  This would help combat air pollution.  I’d also like to see some smaller specialist shops like butchers and fishmongers.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

There’s too much traffic travelling too fast.  I doubt the number of cars can be reduced but the speed could be controlled and reduced.  I don’t drive, which is unusual in this day and age, and I have seen some terrible drivers who give no thought to pedestrians – I have been half way across zebra crossings and drivers have zoomed by just in front of me – very scary.  That is not to say all drivers are alike, some are very thoughtful and courteous.  Somehow this must be encouraged

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

As I don’t drive, I’ve no comment except that I think parking should be charged for in supermarkets.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

As a pedestrian I find railings very galling – why can’t I cross a road where I want to? 

Vehicle Activated Signs are useless – they keep flashing on and off as they are totally ignored by drivers who have become used to them and no longer notice them.  These just add to clutter, are unsightly and expensive.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Some shops look shabby and out of place.  Perhaps some help could be given by the Council to create an overall image to the shopping community.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

As mentioned earlier, I would like to see the ‘comeback’ of specialist shops, e.g. butchers.  It’s a shame our one small bookshop had to close.  How about a bookshop with combined teashop facilities?

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

If traffic were moving at a reasonable pace, we could have benches and flower pots on pavements to make it attractive for people to meet and chat.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Definitely a place which requires vast improvement and could be the hub of the shopping centre.  There’s too much clutter.  If cleared, it could be a nice seating area with tea/coffee facilities – as long as something could be done about the traffic.  What about some green screening?

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Absolutely!

Any other comments

This is an area of great potential which, if thought out properly, could bring more prosperity to the community.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

It has a community feel about it; Many of the shopkeepers even the main chain stores recognise the local community.  The area is diverse in terms of class and race and this is a positive feature.

There are a variety of small shops in the area which means that local residents do not need to venture far to buy all their goods.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

There is a large number of youths in the area and this is a positive feature; however there are also groups of youths which gather around the corner of Mac Donalds and along the high Road.  They seem intimidating as they often have large dogs with them. They are often swearing shouting and making comments to passers by.

In addition there are a few men gathering at the bottom of Lodge Drive and Hazelwood Lane.  I have been informed by a young person that they have been offered drugs by this group.

There is also a gathering of small group 4-5 men who sit outside the side of the bank on Lodge Drive drinking alcohol.

Some of the shops in Palmers green are a bit run down which gives a bad impression of the area.

People coming back from the pub in the early hours of the morning.  I have witnessed many fights and antisocial behaviour from people young and old.  There people have no respect for the residents in their homes and the fact that it is late at night.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Signs up on the street “no drinking zone” (or whatever these signs say).

Local publicans and club owners to give out leaflets and to display leaflets stating that people need to consider the local residents and not to cause too much noise when going home or to their cars.

If possible put up signs regarding respecting local residents and antisocial behaviour not tolerated.

Local fast food stores to put up a sign in their restaurants to ask residents not to throw rubbish.  Fast food stores particularly Macdonalds to put a rubbish bin further down Lodge Drive so that people can throw away their rubbish in a bin rather than on the pavement.  Macdonalds to also to pick up the rubbish along Lodge drive (as they had given an undertaking to do this when they first set up their restaurant).  This has not been happening.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

The traffic on Green Lanes in my opinion is not too bad however the traffic on the side streets can become congested.  Particularly form Hazelwood Lane to the end leading to the A406.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Some Roads are busier than others which make it difficult for local residents. On the one side of Green lanes, along alderman’s Hill there are parking restrictions therefore all the commuters for the station and the shop workers park on the side streets such as Lodge Drive and Hazelwood Lane.  This includes often partially blocking the drives and as these houses do not have wide driveways this is dangerous for getting out of the drives.

There should be cheaper and more affordable parking for people in order for people to use the car parks.  Also consideration should be given to having permit holder restrictions on the Road coming off Green Lanes or even restrictions on certain times to the day such as there is on Old Park Road to stop people form parking there all day.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

More bins along the side roads would be useful to stop the road from being littered.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

The architecture of the buildings in my opinion is fine as it is in keeping with many of the houses in the area.  Some of the shops however need refurbishing in my opinion.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

There are a variety of shops in the area.  I cannot think of any other shops which will attract more people.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

It is nice to have some coffee shops with tables and chairs on the pavement as it gives the feel of a more comfortable environment, but I cannot comment on whether there is enough space to do this with there being adequate access for padestrians.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

It would be nice to have local bands, singing or general advertising without being pressurised.  Applications should be made and this should be scrutinised to ensure that it does not become a political base and people feel uncomfortable or pressurised to sign petitions.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

There were more flower planters in the past but these seem to have gone.

Any other comments

The car park behind the station is used for a Sunday Market occasionally.  It would be better if there were more stalls offering more variety.  The goods sold in the market seem too be expensive and does not attract as many people.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Palmers Green is generally a good place, kept clean and with a good mix of cultures.  My family and I generally feel safe and there is a good selection of restaurants and bars to socialise.  There are good parks either side of the town and has a wonderful atmosphere.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Palmers Green has never been an area to shop in.  It has a good(ish) range of places to buy ‘emergency’ items or things that may have been forgotten from the family shop without having the inconvenience or going to Morrison’s and queuing but as I said, in an emergency only.  It is not however, a place to visit for ‘shopping’.  My family always go to Enfield Town for that.  Palmers Green has too many fast-food places, estate agents, hair salons and nail decorating establishments to make it a destination for a ‘shopping trip’ and will never be able to compete with the variety of Enfield Town.  Small shops will never be able to compete with the supermarkets and this will always ensure that they are used in the ‘emergency’ capacity.  Shops can remain empty for some time.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Winchmore Hill seems to have escaped the problems of Palmers Green.  The shops that exist offer things that supermarkets do no / cannot supply.  The restaurants and cafes are good but no one would ever think of spending a Saturday morning browsing the shops there.  Palmers Green triangle seems to have a better (cleaner?) feel about it, is more attention given to it?

I really don’t know the answer to this question.  I love Palmers Green or I would have moved away some time ago but I think this has more to do with the mix of cultures here than the facilities.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Never noticed this as an issue.  I have always thought that one of the best features of Palmers Green is its lack of Underground station and that ‘people traffic’ is kept to those who need to be here rather than those ‘passing through’.  Vehicles never seem to be an issue and pedestrian crossings are plenty.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Cost of parking is an issue everywhere.  However, it is exorbitant if looked at from the perspective of those stopping off for the emergency items previously mentioned.  If the answer to improving Palmers Green is a cash-injection, then we are losing out by ensuring people are turned away by having to pay for items twice (cost of item from shop and cost of parking).  Why does the car-park at the rear of McDonalds charge so much – or charge at all?  Does Morrison’s make a charge for its customers?  Why should shop owners be penalised for making customers pay for parking to visit them?

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

- It seems in this day and age (Christ, that’s a ‘grumpy old man expression’) everything is put in place for vehicles and safety.  Pavements are cluttered with sign posts and railings, bollards and road lighting (I say road rather than street as the lamps point into the road and not to the pavement).  Is there an answer to this?  I doubt it.  Sometimes however, it does seem that little thought is given to the positioning of these items.  Look at the bus stop outside of what used to be Tesco.  It is positioned in such a way as to restrict the flow of people passing.  Why is it such a large shelter?  Cannot the type used near the Hedge Lane junction be placed here?

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Generally good but some need refurbishment.  This is especially true for areas above the eye line and shops remaining empty.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

- Palmers Green has never been an area to shop in.  It has a good(ish) range of places to buy ‘emergency’ items or things that may have been forgotten from the family shop without having the inconvenience or going to Morrison’s and queuing but as I said, in an emergency only.  It is not however, a place to visit for ‘shopping’.  My family always go to Enfield Town for that.  Palmers Green has too many fast-food places, estate agents, hair salons and nail decorating establishments to make it a destination for a ‘shopping trip’ and will never be able to compete with the variety of Enfield Town.  Small shops will never be able to compete with the supermarkets and this will always ensure that they are used in the ‘emergency’ capacity.  Shops can remain empty for some time.

– encourage shops providing specialist services (other than those already over-abundant) and items not available in supermarkets.  This does however generally mean expensive items as those are the only things supermarkets do not supply (thanks mainly to competition between them).

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

See section on clutter.  Pavements need to be for pedestrians and not just to hold signage and to show where the road ends.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Nice area – however it has taken a massive blow by removing that beautiful tree ... and the Christmas tree that was placed there seemed like a kick in the teeth.  ‘Look, we’ve taken away your real tree and given you some plastic’.  The triangle itself could be used to better effect – could the Farmer’s Market be extended to here – it would encourage those passing through to stop.  Could the Farmer’s Market be extended to Saturday mornings too?  How about a Saturday morning ‘Speaker’s Corner’ if the Farmer’s Market is a no-go?  Encourage people to stand on a soap-box and cure all the world’s ills?

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Nowhere near enough, a grant to encourage those along Green Lanes to adopt planters would help.

Any other comments

I feel I should change my name to Victor Meldrew after reading back through this.  You caught me at a time when I (unusually) had a few free moments.  I love Palmers Green, always have – but just like everything else in life, there is always room for improvement.  Palmers Green could be perfect, Winchmore Hill have something approaching it.  Aim high!

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Variety of shops and restaurants, parts of Broomfield Park, public transport and primary schools

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Empty shop units and too many betting shops and nail bars/nail salons.  Increased crime and vandalism.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

More facilities for the local community e.g families with young children, better and safer facilities for teenagers so they do not get involved in anti social behaviour.  More activities and places for the elderly to get them out of their houses and still feel part of the community.

We lost a fabulous independent bookshop and haberdashers over the years – we need more specialist, independent shops.

Playgrounds and outdoor facilities for the whole community to use in Broomfield Park. The revamped playground is a big improvement but what is there for teenagers  and older folk other than park benches?

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Expensive and non existent – can never get parked along Green lanes – it must impact on local businesses.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Generally ok along Green Lanes and Alderman’ Hill but the area around the Triangle is rather cluttered with signs.  Railings are ok as they help protect pedestrians and some are in keeping with the Edwardian feel of the area.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

The old buildinga are fantastic and generally maintained well.  Most shops are well presented but some look scruffy and the empty units do not reflect well on the area.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Need to hold more community events like the Easter Egg Hunt, Hazelwood Fayre & switching on the Christmas lights.

How about a monthly newsletter (preferably email) advertising local shops, services, promotions and events encouraging people to come out and shop.

A Palmers Green loyalty card – where you get points for spending that can be changed to a voucher or money off in a co operating store?

Pavements - It can get very busy at the weekends and several shops clutter outside their shops when there is not a great deal of space.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Pavements are generally narrow and get congested where the bus stops are making it difficult to get past – especially with a pushchair, pram or wheelchair.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

It’s cluttered where you cross at Barclays Bank over to WHSmith.

Can new public toilets be put in place that are safe and clean to use – it is a nightmare when you have young children and they inevitably need the loo and you are in the middle of Green Lanes!  Not many shops allow you to use their facilities.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Need more  - would make the Triangle less of a redundant space.

Any other comments

The Christmas decorations are something that makes Palmers Green stand out when compared to other areas of the borough. Well done – keep this going!

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Great parks.

Community of different nationalities  - enriches what is on offer in the shops and restaurants.

Lots of different restaurants and cafes.

Reasonable range of shops

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Often looks completely filthy – litter around, pavements stained – where grease has been dropped outside fast food etc no one from the shop scrubs it up.

And a lot of empty shops – although the window posters help a lot – this should be kept up. It’s abit dull-looking about it altho it is difficult to put a finger on exactly why this is – rather cluttered and so everything starts to look a random jumble. 

Also traffic is dangerous at the Hedge Lane junction – a lot of jumping red lights.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Cleaner and brighter-looking. More interesting visually. There are some wide pavements so perhaps some variation in colours and textures with planters and at the same time rationalise what is there as part of the street scene.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

traffic is dangerous at the Hedge Lane junction – a lot of jumping red lights.

High street is often just a complete traffic queue but it is difficult to see what can be done about this

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

This needs some analysis to see what might be removed.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

I do quite like the current trend to have ‘shop signs’ that hang out from the shops.

There is some interesting architecture above street level but some of the shops do not make the best of their windows, eg all the betting shops!

Important to have a means to temporarily ’ disguise’ the empty shops – the large window posters were a great idea

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Type and range are reasonable. Waitrose will help if it stays.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Pavements - Wide enough on one side to try out the planter idea.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

It’s not really used as a public space is it – it is a traffic island. I was devastated at the loss of the tree and I don’t think this was ever explained. Can we have a new tree please?

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Would be good.

Any other comments

Improvement in cleanliness and less litter are important to me.

It’s excellent that this consultation is happening and wish you all the best with implementing the lead suggestions.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

It’s clean, safe, pleasant, has a lovely green space, a god range of shops, cafes, restaurants

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

No good secondary school where we would be in catchment

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

No more new pound shops, a leisure centre, an M&S food store

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

It’s quite busy at peak times but where in London isn’t it busy at peak periods? Parking is becoming quite expensive, prices should be kept low if you want to encourage shopping at local shops

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Parking is becoming quite expensive, prices should be kept low if you want to encourage shopping at local shops

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Some of the shops look a bit tatty

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

More high street shops, a butcher/fismonger

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Get rid of those closed toilets

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

My family loves the public library in Palmers Green, we go there all the time.  The children’s section is really nice with seating for young children and access to the toilet it makes it an ideal place to take little ones especially when the weather is not so good outside.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

It is very difficult to access local shops if you are in the car on the way from school.  You then go to shops that will give you parking eg Sainsbury’s in Winchmore Hill.  It is possible to shop at Morrisons and park there but I also want to shop at Waitrose or the local green grocers but can only do so if I am on foot.  This is not always possible with young children and shopping.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

The library would benefit from redecoration particularly painting of the walls and new carpet.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

There is always traffic in and around Palmers Green town however it seems to move along quickly.  Traffic no longer backing up from North Circular as road works finished has helped alleviate traffic in town.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Paying for short term parking is not good we don’t always have the right change and if I put in £1 it still only gives me 15 minutes and this is not fair. 

I would like to see paying for parking replaced with FREE short term parking eg 20 mins no return within two hours. 

I would like resident parking permitted areas to be replaced with eg no parking within hours 11-12 so that we can park if we need to pop to the shops.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

The architecture of old buildings in Palmers Green is very attractive and the Council has ensure that many new builds are in keeping with this however the new building replacing Cecil Court opposite the Palmers Green Library is not in my opinion although I am sure we will just get used to it. 

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

The new 2 bed apartment complex between the railway bridge and The new Waitrose is fantastic because we no longer have to travel to Southgate to M&S or Enfield for Waitrose.

The Baskerville’s Tea Shop on Alderman’s Hill because it has a play area for children

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Pavements could be better but generally have not observed specific problems

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

My family loves the Christmas decorations especially the tree on the triangle.  We do very much miss the old tree that stood there with the fairy lights.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

We love the flower planters they are always cheerful and charming and very well kept.

We would love to see more greenery especially planting of trees to help keep our air clean.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

  1. Good transport services ie Buses and trains (b) Multi Cultural population

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

(a) no public toilet facilities (b) poor car parking facilities

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

(a) clean and maintained public toilet facilities (b) a small private covered shopping Mall with a variety of shops

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Reasonable parking fees

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Need some modern looking but small buildings/offices

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

[We need] An affordable private covered shopping mall like they have in various country side locations.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Palmers Green has the feel of a community. It is varied in its make-up. It is mostly green tidy and safe.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Shops in the High Street appear to becoming scruffier as they get taken up by charity shops. Not enough variety of shopping – can only see people moving out of town.

Driving is awful – often dangerous!

Youths hanging about more now – Starbucks, McDonalds and the Big Slick are the worst. Often somewhat intimidating.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

More variety of shops. Higher-end shops. Palmers Green should really be on the same level as Muswell Hill that has a really good shopping centre in town. The high-end housing just behind the High Street clashes with what is there.

Parking is awful.

 

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Too fast (people on their mobiles and without seat belts). Bourne Hill Crossroads are a death trap with people shooting the lights.

Too many cyclists on the pavements.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

Nowhere to park after 8.30am on a Saturday! People park illegally much of the time and argue with wardens when they get caught!

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

The process of putting in new lampposts was too long – always pavements being dug up. Still somewhat like that along Green Lanes coming from Enfield to the Triangle.  Haven’t noticed any other ‘clutter’ really.

 

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

The High Street is a good example of an Edwardian street – why Harry Potter filmed there. Much being changed in not very good taste. Some shops been empty for years and looking bad.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Not enough range – see comments about Muswell Hill previously. What do they have that we do not?

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

- Fine to me except the small stones they use tend to trip you up!

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Greenery is OK – the hanging baskets are good. Wouldn’t want to go over the top with these.

Spindly trees planted are a bit dull.

Any other comments

We need to get some life back into the High Street but it is a challenge – look at the number of restaurants that have closed over the past year and are still empty. New one seems to be full which is good.

Too many charity shops.

It still feels really safe, e.g. walking home late at night. The Fox pub sorted out its ‘youth’ issues but I think the Big Slick may become another problem.

More signs to parks? More to do in parks, e.g. cafe in Broomfield?

Can we doing something about staffing at the station – waiting room is trashed and full of litter every weekend.

Thanks for the opportunity of this.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Some useful shops – supermarkets, hardware shop, Boots, Clarks.

Broomfield Park is lovely.

Good train link to Herts/London.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Cramped pavements, difficult to cross main shopping street  (no pedestrian crossing between triangle and post office.  Little parking at post office end of street.

Narrow range of shops – need to go to Enfield or Wood Green for clothing, furniture etc.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Pedestrian crossing half-way up high street.

Wider range of shops.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

- I have a feeling they used to look better, but that was before my time here (10 years) – I don’t have any specific complaints or suggestions.

 Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

- Pavements as stated above do seem cramped on the west side in particular.  I’m not sure whether fewer fittings would help.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

- I think there are plans to plant a new tree.  Will there be benches there? What is the state of the former underground public toilets?  Can that space be used for anything (eg public toilets!)

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Planters on the east side would be good where there’s a wide enough pavement.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

good transport links for central London

- a good variety of shops locally

– a park with plenty of potential

- decent varied and affordable housing stock for young families.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

Traffic flow in the area requires much greater thought and attention from planners especially now that the A406 roadworks near completion. Roads east of Green lanes (Lakes Estate) are used at cut-throughs especially by vans and delivery lorries. I see minor RTAs and road rage disputes on my road (Old Park Road) regularly.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

Closure of rat runs in the area which cause pollution, noise and are a risk to our children. The quality of my life and that of my family has been vastly improved by the recent temporary closure of Old Park Road for water main repairs. Old park Road is used by many pedestrians walking to the station as well as those using the doctors surgery.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

- Closure of rat runs in the area which cause pollution, noise and are a risk to our children. The quality of my life and that of my family has been vastly improved by the recent temporary closure of Old Park Road for water main repairs.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Part of the area concerned is a conservation area and multi-national chain store should be sensitive to in our shopping parades.

Also – if the Lakes Estate is a conservation area shouldn’t this also apply to the highway agency in their use of signs and business like BT in their use of street furniture

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

The area feels completely naked without the tree at the Triangle. I know that a new tree will be planted this year but more is needed to make this focal point of our community again –ie- improve the clutter of signage and 1970s walkway barriers

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Much more please – there should be more greenery at and around the Triangle – the planting of one great tree is only a start.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Great outdoor area with 2 wonderful parks – Broomfield Park & Grovelands Park, good primary schools and good transport links to Central London.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

The amount of tacky shops on the high street (e.g. betting shops, too many charity shops and most recently a cash/gold converter shop), very dirty pavements, gangs with dogs hanging around especially the Triangle area and Broomfield Park.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

- A better and more family-friendly high street with more variety of shops, independent run shops like delis, cafes with kids activities like pottery, etc. A cleaner high street and free car park facilities to attract customers to the high street.

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

Due to the high number of accidents, protected right turn signals should be introduced to the traffic lights at Green Lanes/hedge lane/Bourne Hill Junction and also pedestrian lights should be introduced. We need more one way streets as there are a lot of angry disputes and traffic backs up when people do not give way. It does not mean that people will drive faster if we have one way streets as most drivers rush down the streets to get there first.

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

The high street should offer free car park or reduced car park fees to boost business in the area and to reduce residencial street congestion.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

We need a driver-led cleaning machines on the streets – the high street and the residential streets are quite dirty.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

It would be nice to keep the original facades of the shops but in most cases they are all gone and unfortunately they all need to have shutters these days due to vandalism.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Probably the rent of shops are high and it seems that the only type of business which is proliferating on our high street is attracting the wrong type of people in this area. It is mostly  a family area and our high street definitely does not reflect that – maybe if independent business have some kind of rent subsidyvthings might change for better.

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

Pavement space is fine but need to be properly maintained.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

The public toilets should be opened and we should pay to use them. We miss a real tree there!

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

Flower planters always a nice touch.and flowers are

Any other comments

Safety – we need more police patrol in the area.

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Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

Very  little. We have a mini-Waitrose. Store 21 is Ok. My optician is still  there.

Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

 Everything, now that the old  shops have gone. We used to have a large and interesting department store  – Evans &Davis; Grouts; fishmongers, butchers; Tesco, Sainsbury; a  bookshop; a good wine merchant. All gone. No pleasure in wandering around  down there now. It looks so scruffy. It smells of bacon fat, or did today.   It feels cheap and run down.  People playing loud, horrible music from cars doesn’t help the ambience.  Too many cafes and pubs. Not enough interesting shops.

Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

If it turned into something  like Muswell Hill, with upmarket, independent shops, lots of variety,  smarter shop fronts, something interesting to look at other than Pound  Shops, charity shops and scruffy pubs. One  more traffic island between Boots and the Devonshire Road zebra.   More  planting. Trees. Shrubs in pots – azaleas for bursts of colour. Roses with  big thorns to discourage vandalism/theft. Or perhaps these could go in the  two permanent raised planting areas. Window boxes on the railings. Small  blossoming trees on the Triangle.  

Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

This  has never bothered me. There are places to cross easily, but if I choose  to cross between them, I can generally manage. Quite often traffic stops  to allow me to get across in the main shopping area close to the Triangle.  Though not the case in stretch between station and  the park gates.  But I have for 40+ years crossed without problem just beyond the gates  towards the lights at top of park as there is always a clear space outside  rush hours. There are stretches where it does go too fast, so you  have to be careful, which is only sensible, but I am not a very old person  – they get very scared by traffic when they can’t judge speed or can’t  make eye contact with drivers. Traffic  speeds up between the park zebra and PG station - there should be traffic  calming measures there. It's dangerous. I wish people would not play their  nasty music so loud.   There  is much more traffic and congestion in Muswell Hill  – it’s a larger area, there are many buses coming through and using the  central bus garage, the traffic jams are larger and longer, though it does  not speed. More difficult to cross the road. Comparatively, Palmers Green feels – as both a  pedestrian and a driver – easier  to negotiate, less congested, fewer traffic fumes. And  yet, Muswell Hill is a far nicer shopping/relaxing area.  

Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

): Difficult  if you need disabled parking.  We usually walk or use the bus. If needing the car for unloading for the  charity shops, it is impossible to find a spot nearby. Almost impossible  to park near the Post Office. If shopping in Morrisons we use their car  park. At the moment you can park in the library if using it. You need  disabled parking for the library – I used to take my mother. You can’t  park near the doctors’ surgeries in Old Park Road and near Hedge Lane. A  nightmare for older and disabled people.

Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

Hate  those terrible advertising things on stalks. They are ugly and no one  wants to see advertising everywhere. Hate this year's Christmas ‘tree.’  Can’t bear all the studs all over the pavements, makes it difficult  to walk without turning an ankle or losing balance. My elderly mother  couldn’t go out to post a letter because she couldn’t cross the studs even  using her walking frame, without losing her balance. Don’t know why they  have to be all across the pavement near the Triangle. I  like the railings, they add a certain formality to an otherwise  raggedy area, they are smart, they have a retro feel. As I don't need to  dash across roads they don't hinder my progress. They could have flower  boxes attached to them. I  think the old finger posts have been removed - '12 miles to London' - they  were fun. Would like to see those back. Perhaps they're still there, I  haven't looked recently.

Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

Ghastly.  Unrelieved gloom. Some of the old shop fronts remain, but they are not  celebrated by the occupants.

Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

Currently  useless and cheap – Needs to go upmarket. Surely this will depend on the  available custom in the area. We  used to have a large department store – Evans &Davis; Grouts;  fishmongers, butchers; Tesco, Sainsbury; a bookshop; a good wine merchant.  All gone. Should be like Muswell Hill, with upmarket, independent shops,  lots of variety, smarter shop fronts, something interesting to look at  other than Pound Shops, charity shops and scruffy pubs.  

Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

No  problems with this, though if too many cafes put out tables it will make  it harder in the narrower areas. Not pleasant to have to walk through all  the smoke when people sit outside cafes.

Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

Currently ghastly. We mourn our old tree.

Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

There are  public planting spaces which could be 100% more attractive if properly  planted with attractive and not merely utilitarian perennials. Possibly a  few bulbs and annuals included. These used to be gardened twice yearly  with annuals.  Azaleas –  evergreen with a burst of spring colour. Smallish blossoming trees in the  planters on the Triangle central area. Window boxes on the Public toilet  railings. . Trees in the wide areas of pavement towards Hedge Lane. Shrubs  in pots – azaleas for bursts of colour. Roses with big thorns to  discourage vandalism/theft. Or perhaps these could go in the two permanent  raised planting areas. New trees with blossom and autumn colour.   Window  boxes hooked on the railings, planted with annuals - which they have in  Muswell Hill.

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Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

I live in Southgate and very seldom go to Palmers Green as I don't find it a very appealing place to shop.  There are a number of reasons:

  • It is difficult to cross the road at Green Lanes near the Triangle.  I find there is little thought or priority for pedestrians
  • For some reason the footpaths seem cluttered
  • Parking is a problem
  • It seems to be a mish mash of shops
  • There is nothing stylish about the shops
  • Shopkeepers in general don't make their windows and shop fronts attractive
  • It would be good if there were some nice boutique style shops
  • All the planted containers and decorations in the world would not attract me to go there unless there are interesting and varied shops with character. The only strong points about Palmers Green are Multiyork and Waitrose.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Think this is a good multi cultural spot... like the mix.  There are a few good shops... generally a good mix catering to the diverse economic mix.. alderman’s hill and the park are more aesthetically pleasing than high st.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Green Lanes Palmers Green unfortunately gives the impression of being very ugly and downmarket when driving through. £1 shops with goods on the street etc.. some ugly buildings and shop fronts. 

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Can anything be done to smarten shop fronts, preserve good/old buildings, make more of a feature of them... where pavement is wide can priority be given to good quality coffee shops to rent them so we can see some cafe culture on the street (thinking about where Oxfam is).  Retailers should have some guidelines to how to keep their shop fronts looking clean/attractive (less clutter and noise in the windows).  Alderman’s Hill looks pretty good now..

    Broomfield park needs a cafe... ideally with outside seating, and with a vista.... pull down the house if necessary... unless the restoration project is privatised there will never be funding to do it up.  I wonder what happened to the last proposal for flats/community space/cafe?  The park looks okay, the restored wall looks great... more of that please.

    Shopping area needs to be made attractive.  Keep the more wealthy spenders here rather than making their shopping trips to Muswell Hill etc

     

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Half the reason the traffic is bad is people cruising up and down looking for a cheaper road parking spot.  Parking issues will help alleviate the traffic flow.  Should probably take out the two parking spots outside Waitrose too to help with traffic flow.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    parking is very limited... the car park behind McDonald’s is prohibitively expensive... can something not be done about this?  Reduce the cost of this parking and/or car parking refunds from your shop spend (eg Starbucks – coffee shops – if people come for a leisurely coffee they are more likely to think about doing their shopping here). 

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    - if any new railings/posts are being put in, keep in period (Edwardian). 

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    There are some lovely buildings... please can we ensure that they are preserves (and conserved), make them features.... where possible get rid of ugly newer ones.. The houses on left past shops heading towards intersection with Hedge lane need some uniform policy on what can/can’t be done to them.  Make business signs more attractive.  Limit the parking on the drives, perhaps have policy to create screening from road (hedges) so the impression is of greenery and attractive period properties, instead of lots of badly parked cars/double glazed windows and business signs...

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    - Shops introducing loyalty cards/doing better marketing eg health food shop near triangle.. good idea

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Cafe culture... that great wide pavement area near Oxfam.  Prioritise shops on this section for rental to coffee shops with permission to use part of this pavement area for tables/chairs... it’s what helps make an area look attractive and inviting.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Terrible shame that tree had to come down.  Can’t another be planted instead (don’t like the strange structure that’s been put in)?    Plenty of well thought out planting using lots of ever-green.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Triangle needs beautiful tree (even if it takes a few years to mature one could be put in that will be green for the summer.

    The corner next to Natwest bank  and that stretch of shops look very dark/uninviting... some foliage/flowers/even lighting might help.

    Morrisons front entrance is an eye sore... better planting... perhaps outside Morrisons cafe?

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    The variety of shops; the variety of people living here (families, older people, young professionals, etc).

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Parts of Green Lanes are quite run down / feel a bit unsafe at times (e.g opposite the Fox). - Fair amount of day time drinkers hanging around between the Alfred Herring and the Fox pubs – can make the area unpleasant with children.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Ensure safety and less anti-social behaviour on Green Lanes, especially daytime drinking.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Could do with another crossing point across Green Lanes between the Fox pub and Hedge lane. Also the crossing at Hedge Lane is very pedestrian unfriendly.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    More Greenery along Green Lanes would be very welcome, especially with so much traffic.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Palmers Green is a largely attractive area with a diverse town centre.  It has a good mix of independent traders and high street chains (over 120 units); a scattering of cafes and restaurants.  There is very low vacancy in shops, which is contrary to national trends.  It retains a couple of reasonable pubs, a post office, a couple of good supermarkets (we should be especially proud to have attracted a Waitrose).  The town centre is generally attractive, litter free and has some interesting buildings which are not that badly affected by shoddy shopfronts.  Within the centre, the mix of people is good meaning the traders are also good.  It is friendly and well connected, though the good connections have not lead to it becoming expensive or sought after, like Muswell Hill and Crouch End which, I think, retains a certain accessible charm to the place.  Recently, new traders have established with an innovative offer – Baskervilles springs to mind.  There is enough here for a local resident to mull about the shops for an hour or two if there’s nothing else particular to do.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    There are a number of small irritations.  The roads are difficult to cross, particularly the central part of Green Lanes and parts of Aldermans Hill around the station.  Rat-running is rife in Devonshire Road, causing irritation and danger for residents, particularly those with small children.  Parking is poorly signed and hidden away, though appears to be relatively plentiful.  The pavements are a little narrow, especially on the eastern side, and get difficult to move along particularly around the bus stops.  The Triangle could be more of a focal point, but is underutilised.  Ideas for the junction – a clock and a tree – appear to be half-baked, albeit they’re based on what used to be there.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    First and foremost, I’d like to see less rat-running on Devonshire Road.  This could easily be achieved though a barrier at some point in the road.  Traffic should be maintained on the principal roads.  This might mean more congestion, which in turn might point to a need to make a better public realm, one in which pedestrians feel more empowered and motorists more wary.  Better signage, particularly to car parks, and the availability of real time information about parking spaces would also help.  I’m not sure another crossing in Green Lanes would help – wider pavements, a better environment for pedestrians and more traffic might be the better solution (more traffic will mean slower cars and an easier ability to cross because traffic is not moving quickly).

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    - Some comments have already been made.  I don’t necessarily think too much traffic is a problem, provided pedestrians have a good environment and can move about and people know where to go in their cars to park and get about the centre.

    Traffic often moves too quickly on Aldermans Hill, particularly around the station and along to the entrance to Broomfield Park.  Reducing the speed limit would not be effective; physical obstacles to speeding would be more effective in my view.  Devonshire Road is a classic rat-run for avoiding the Triangle and the bin lorroes are amongst the worst culprits, along with pizza delivery mopeds and boy racers after midnight. 

    The zebra crossing at the Triangle (by WHSmith works okay, but is perhaps too close to  Green Lanes; equally, the right turn into Devonshire Road is tricky, and blocks traffic behind it when someone is waiting to turn.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Comments already made on location, and availability.  I don’t see cost as an issue particularly; if one was to go to Wood Green or Enfield, charges also apply, plus there’s the cost of getting there as well.  Retail parks are hideous places, and I don’t personally care if they are free to park; I rarely frequent them.  

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    The clutter in Palmers Green is not so bad.  The Triangle is perhaps the worst place, but needs attention anyway.  Ideally, a consistent palette of materials and street furniture should be applied to the whole centre and obsolete items should be removed.  I don’t believe that auditing such items is expensive or difficult.  There are a number of pointless planters around, which are ugly.  A-boards outside shops – notably beauty palours and nail bars – should be better enforced (but never are, anywhere).

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Many town centres in London are tatty and ugly – having lived for some time in south London, I would cite many examples there.  Palmers Green, for its size and importance, is remarkably coherent, and retains a number of historic buildings in good condition.  Shopfronts are not too bad.  However, that’s not to say that, again, a consistent policy approach could be taken to appropriately sized fascia boards and shop elevations; the ground floor is most frequently where this breaks down.  In particular, all ‘class A uses’ should be encouraged to have a shop front, and many do.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    As a fairly new resident, but with a long history of friends having lived in the area, I have seen change in the centre.  I would maintain that it has a good mix.  IT is not too dependent on national traders who might look to close smaller stores in this economic climate.  It has a high proportion of A1 uses.  There is concern about betting shops, but there are only four at present between Fox Lane and the Inn on the Green at the Triangle, in over 120 units.  This is a very small proportion.  There is a very low level of vacant units.  Fast food take aways are not dominant, and those that exist tend to be relatively discreet.  There are charity shops (an A1 use), but they appear to be well run and, in the case of the British Red Cross bookshop, quite distinctive.  There is a high number of independent traders – one can still buy a wide range of goods from the centre from home goods – carpets, curtains, blinds, televisions – to perishables to DIY goods and clothing.

    That’s not to say that things couldn’t be better.  We have to continue to nurture locally grown traders with fair rents and a good environment in the town centre.  We need to be sure what perceived ills (betting shops, charity shops, pound shops, vacant units…etc) we’re prepared to tolerate - because they will and do exist - and be sure that the Council is applying the policies that we want in a consistent and transparent way.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    The Triangle could be a better space, a focal point.  It could have some kind of feature, but I have no ideas about this.  I can see the logic of a tree or greenery, but I don’t see this overgrown traffic island as a place to sit and rest.  I can see why a clock might be spoken about, but new clocks have a tradition of being designed by Committee – any Victoriana clock would be a crime against humanity and going too contemporary could also be controversial.  If any sculpture/art were to be considered, I would suggest commissioning this properly and involving the community in some way without them dominating – the best art splits opinion.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    - Planting should be part of a comprehensive public realm strategy.  Concrete boxes on the pavement are awful; plastic trays balancing on railing are equally criminal.  Ideally, planting and greenery should respect the area, be indigenous and encourage sustainability and biodiversity.

     Any other comments

    -Personally, I think that the community should be considering a neighbourhood plan for the Palmers Green town centre and environs.  The community – FLDRA and other associations with the EDRA – should be putting its strategic priorities to the council and be feeding this into the planning framework.  It would give us a lot more control and clout.  The Localism Act gives us the power to make our own policy; we need the Council to recognise us as a legitimate group and to work with us.  It would be innovative and could be inspiring.

    I hate hearing about projects going on in isolation – for instance, the Triangle, the station entrance and the issues of speeding on Aldermans Hill are connected and ought to be considered strategically.  It would make more sense in the longer term.  Equally, whilst there might be a worry about betting shops (for instance), this should not be considered in isolation – the town centre can adequately take more betting shops if other problems which exist in the centre are addressed at the same time.

    It should also be noted that the Council will be issuing its Development Management policy document for consultation in March/April and it is essential that the residents’ association scrutinises this to ensure that Palmers Green maintains its place in the retail hierarchy, is not being undermined in terms of the range of class A uses which are acceptable in the centre (i.e. a maintenance of the current dominance of A1; discourage the loss of A1 uses to A2-A3 on the whole) and puts a strong emphasis on A1 uses in the primary shopping area in the heart of Green Lanes.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    I've lived here for 17 years and seen a lot of changes.

    Friendly, I always bump into friends along the main road. Some good shops and cafes. I like the charity shops for books. Library good even though not central. Art shop.

    I use the Shape gym at least 3 times a week. I feel safe at night walking along the streets.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Closed shops with nothing in the window. Betting shops with desperate people hanging around them. Getting very crowded and I notice a large proportion of youngish men without families hanging around and in cafes all day. More rubbish.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Do something constructive with empty shops.

    Look at: Empty Shops Network  http://www.artistsandmakers.com/ for ideas.

     Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Green lanes difficult to cross. The 2 sides seem too separate.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    - I walk usually and don't park unless dropping off charity bags.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Some new street lights were put in the middle of the pavement.

     Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Some new shops badly designed and give the area a run-down look (cheap shop next to Shape gym)

    Some really beautiful old buildings above shops. We should be encouraged to look up.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Too many betting shops - attract wrong type. Too many nail bars. Baskerville cafe well designed and attractive. Post office run-down and very dirty. But at least it's still open.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    I really miss the tree

    Any other comments

    Historic treasures like Grouts now lost forever - we don't look after what we have

    Have you seen Exhibition Rd where the museums in London are? Cars and people share the area. A very daring idea. Why can't we be pioneers and experiment with ideas like this? Take over the street. There are loads of articles and info. on this and I've been there.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/nov/11/london-exhibition-road-cultural

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Parks and green spaces

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Range of shops – but in current climate, open shops are better than boarded up ones.  Yes it would be great if we could replicate muswell hill/ crouch end high streets, but I’m realistic!

    The dog poo (!) on the alleyways leading up from green lanes to fox lane.  Truly disgusting – can’t it be policed better – CCTV and someone walking up and down fining the persistent culprits

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    More proper pedestrian crossings – dropped kerb islands in the middle of what are effectively fast dual carriageways are not sufficient or safe enough.

    Good café/s in Broomfield (and Grovelands) park.  Also a cleaner boating lake and ponds in Broomfield – stagnant water is never attractive

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic is too fast with too few pedestrian crossings –

    Too fast - especially green lanes, hoppers road, aldermans hill and bourne hill.

    Pedestrians are not catered for well enough – why aren’t there more traffic lights with a green man for pedestrians.  The most dangerous one is the green lanes, bourne hill crossroads (near yasar halim) – why oh why is there not a pedestrian crossing at the junction?  Try doing it with kids – really dangerous. 

    Proper pedestrian crossing/s needed on Bourne Hill.  This is school run territory – we walk and crossing that road is the most stressful aspect of the journey.  Dropped kerb islands aren’t good enough as the traffic goes too fast on this road.  My ideal would be 3 pedestrian crossings on Bourne Hill – one at the yasar halim crossroads, the other two spaced out as you go up the hill and one lollypop lady during school run times.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Palmers Green does look rather tatty/dirty. 

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Its not a highlight!

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    See comment above.  Yes it would be great if there were more independent shops, but given current climate, this is difficult.  No more nail bars, charity shops or “football supporters clubs” needed though!

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Wider pavements, allowing the cafes to have more outside seating would be great.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Good that council planted trees along green lanes, but why doesn’t it look after the saplings?  Lots need retying to their stakes for example.

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    [Green Lanes Business Association survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    – local shopping centre with all types of shops, not more charity stores or bookies

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    charity shops, bookies, hairdressers

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Council must have strict guidance on licensing

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    cleaning of the high street and side roads

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    - how can small businesses compete with multiples with free parking

    Supports ½ free parking in town centre

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Local shoppers won’t support local stores they will go where they get free parking

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Fine

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    no or else all veg shops will use the pavement space

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    brick paving and seating arrangement is better than to build a clock tower

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    OK

     

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    [Green Lanes Business Association survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    we have a wide range of shops; I have worked in this area over ten years. I can do all my shopping at lunch times.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    we should have free parking for the people who work in this area. We can have a pass to display on our windscreen. It is very hard to find a space that is near.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    I think that people who work in this area should be given free parking slots and not have to pay and display.  Maybe more police surveillance in the area especially evenings

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    cars sometimes drive too fast on Aldermans Hill. Maybe we can have a speed light flashing 30mph only.

    Hedge Lane Traffic – we need more Pelican crossings there or zebra crossings

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    ½ hr free parking in town centre, or even 1hr or 2 hrs

    This would encourage me to use the town centre more because we can do all our shopping here and and eat out

    No Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    More dustbins around the area, more road sweepers around the park the leaves can be slippery and dangerous.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    money given to paint the area. Shops run down. Houses

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    H&M, New Look, Top Shop

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    fix faulty pavements quicker

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    maybe  a fountain, more benches – seating area places to eat sandwiches outside

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    more plants trees flowers brighten the place up

    Any other comments

    pavements should be maintained regularly outside café, vet shop Aldermans hill. 

     

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    [Green Lanes Business Association survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    fairly good variety / selection of different shops / services

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Excessive cost of short term parking which means local shops cannot compete with out of town outlets which have free parking

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    give minimum 20 minutes – maximum 30 mins free parking on the main thoroughfares.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – no specific problem which cannot be rectified, only by changing timings on traffic lights

    Traffic (hedge lane junction) – alter phasing of traffic lights – possibly introduce a filter system?

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – major problem for all independent shops.

    Supports (definitely) free ½ hr parking

    Would encourage more use of town centre. Often only need 5-10 mins to pop into a shop for a quick look, etc. without this – many people don’t bother.

    Doesn’t support Sunday parking charging. Should only be brought in if Sunday trading laws abolished and it becomes the same as any other day

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – remove unnecessary sign posts – many signs could easily be installed on lamp posts !! more litter bins required

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops –overall OK. Problem with shop premises which have been vacant for long periods.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – is hard to attract small independents because of the cost of parking. Only large multinationals can afford to overcome this and it in turn limits variety

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – encourage outside cafe seating where space allows to embrace a continental style atmosphere. Allow street trading where possible.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – focal point needed. Suggest notice boards be allowed for all local shops / businesses to use on a equal basis to promote their shops

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery Planters – not necessary in current economic climate. Although attractive. Money could be better used.

    Any other comments

    Other – would like to see litter wardens on patrol in PG. The system is working elsewhere and don’t see why their presence locally would soon make people think twice about littering.

    Would also like to see regular PCSO patrols again.

     

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    [Green Lanes Business Association survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – busy road full of shops. High traffic of people and vehicles. Nice and clean streets

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – many big businesses in one place, killing small businesses – high rent and rates

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – promote the area more to make people shop locally and support local businesses

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – traffic is not too bad on green lanes

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supporting ½ hr free parking. Would encourage to use town centre more because free is free. Its impulsive

    Doesn’t support Sunday parking charges. Let people live and breathe!

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – nothing is in the way near Triangle area

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – good

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – organise more events for families. Involve local businesses to participate + and open a sex shop in the area.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – bring colour back to the streets

    Any other comments

    Other – make / organise one big event where all local businesses can show what they do. The local community would notice the businesses they haven’t noticed before and have a chance to communicate

     

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    [Green Lanes Business Association survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – G Mantella, Waitrose, catwalk, Westlakes, tea room, fairy box, Sony shop, boots, t mobile, Starbucks

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – betting shops and charity shops

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking. Convenience would encourage more use of the town centre

    Doesn’t support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – phone boxes. Too many

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – needs improving

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – we need more boutique style shops and specialist shops

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – clock tower Good ????

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – would improve the area

    Any other comments

    Other – special shopping days, weekends offering discounts, (market stalls). Reduce rent and rates to encourage new businesses

     

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    [Green Lanes Business Association survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – easy access to parks, libraries etc. good range of shops etc

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many betting shops. Lousy post office (in wrong place).

    Traffic very dense with high levels of loutish driving

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – widen Aldermans hill pavements – to create one lane in each direction with 20mph speed limit

     

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – introduce 20mph speed limit. Introduce 30 mins parking bays from hedge lane to triangle

    Hedge Lane junction – mark road surface to encourage passengers (sic) – passenger sides turning. Right turn lane dedications

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – too restrictive – aimed at income generation not use of area

    Supports free ½ hr parking. Would encourage more use of town centre since there is potentially a range of shopping but restrictions and cost of parking is a serious deterrent

    (certainly) Doesn’t support Sunday parking charges. This will contribute to the death of the shopping area

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – far too much signage and many posts are hazardous

     Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops –many are part of chains and must therefore follow chain style (eg McDonalds). Some good architecture –green lane should be the core of a conservation area.

    Introduce design guides for shop fronts

    Question 4e. Specific aspects – type and range of shops

    Type of shops- good range but too many betting shops. Parking restrictions should be lifted

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements - palmers green (lanes) pavements are not wide enough for displays of goods and advertising boards.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle (clock tower). This is utter nonsense – we have watches and mobile phones for accurate time. Dig out the derelict lavatories and plant a large tree there. More trees!

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – nice idea but they are usually despoiled by rubbish. There is little space suitable for planted beds

    Any other comments

    Other – enhancement by removing as much public signage as possible. Enforce the illegality of spitting and dropping rubbish. Create 30 min parking bays.

    Introduce 20 mph speed limit everywhere.

    Reduce the autocratic and baneful activities of Enfield council

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    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – remove the old disused toilets at the Triangle

     Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – pedestrian lights required

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    Doesn’t support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – remove all advertising stands outside shops because it is possible to put a sign above the shop at right angles

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – the architecture is fine, it’s Edwardian. Not all the shops are in keeping however

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – what pavement space !!!???

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock – that’s fine and will you please give us a tree

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – they always look nice if someone remembers to water them

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    [Green Lanes Business Association survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – good parking space. Reasonable variety of shops. Fairly clean (except outside betting shops (cigarettes))

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – parking charges. Toilet area on the triangle. Groups of men congregate around betting shops particularly in good weather. Need more larger stores. Area where recycling used to be. Lodge drive generally – fly tipping / McDonalds waste

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – cover over old toilet entrance. Encourage business with free parking times. Stop “unwanted” businesses like betting. Stop fly tipping by McDonalds. Have more shopping “events”.

     Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic (hedge Lane junction) – feeder lights for traffic turning right would stop some of the accidents

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – do not introduce Sunday parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking. Would support town Centre since a lot of people only come to one shop / bank and don’t like paying. Will wait to do their shopping in bigger centres.

    Doesn’t support Sunday charging. This will drive more people to out of town” free parking centres. Not enough businesses in PG to attract Sunday visitors who would have to pay. In the week they do banking etc so may pay

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – not too bad

     Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – generally OK but some need tidying up outside. “Poundshops” with a lot on the pavement downgrade the area

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – need more specialist shops who can give better service than large stores and chain stores but in shoes and fashion and sports.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – generally OK but don’t let shops put too much on pavement areas. Chairs and tables where pavement is wide enough is OK but not clutter of goods

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle- Toilets?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – lovely like to see them brighten up the area

    Any other comments

    Other – vacant shops should be repainted and boarded up like the old Grouts. Empty shop could be used by community groups or “activity” groups for kids painting / crafts / art work etc. landlords could get rate reduction for participating. This would bring customers in while children play or just to area instead of going further afield.

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – small and friendly shops easy to reach and well known

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – parking – for elderly and people with babies is a nightmare to stop even to pick up a loaf of bread

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – perhaps a 20 minute free parking- for short visit to chemist etc. and definitely free parking on Sundays

     Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – always welcome

    Any other comments

    Other – the local shops should be  ?? facilitated ??? to remain in the area

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – ease of parking / local shops. Small shops

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many charity shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – get better tenants, encourage more parking

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking.

    Does not support Sunday parking

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – get rid

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – OK

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – expand

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock – OK, nice idea

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – yes

    Any other comments

    Other – free parking and more decent shops

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – good shops and banks post office and supermarkets within walking distance

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – outlets closing down, empty shops, CCTV cameras, overzealous, can’t even stop to drop off

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – reduce business rates to encourage trade, reduction for new trade for two years

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – 20mph speed limit surrounding area

    Traffic (Hedge Lane) – pedestrian light green man crossing it will reduce accidents in this black spot

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr parking

    Doesn’t support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter  -lamp posts badly placed

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – free car park behind Iceland would be an enormous benefit

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – sign banning bikes

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock – fund raising point. More bench seats. Demolish – the toilets. Make more space for recreation, eg Christmas tree etc

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – we have enough

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – reasonable clean, safe pleasant area to shop in. good amount of pedestrian crossings. Plenty of cafes and coffee shops.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – variety of shops is decreasing. We have lost butchers, fishmongers, haberdashers and clothes shops.

    Post office is a nightmare as staff don’t know their job

    We have too many phone shops and betting shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – support smaller traders to prevent supermarkets from pushing them out of business. We need their expertise and their high level of customer service

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – cyclists jumping red lights is a danger to other traffic and pedestrians. Very little time allowed at traffic lights for pedestrians to cross from the centre island in front of Superdrug to Starbucks. Getting across in these few seconds is an art form

    Traffic (hedge lane) – some drives still unclear about whether to turn right nearside to nearside or off side to offside at this junction. Improve signage to make this clear/

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking. Why? Could buy heavy articles from Green Lanes shops

    Does not support Sunday charges

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – design should be in keeping with the rest of the area. Don’t allow neon signs such as McDonalds large yellow M. signage of shops should be in English.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops –reduce car parking charges

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – pizza delivery bikes ride and park on the pavement. This is dangerous.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock. What clock tower? For safety of both traffic and pedestrians the Triangle needs to be left free of clutter to allow clear visibility

    Any other comments

    Other – need a useable post office - people in this area go to Winchmore Hill or Enfield rather than the palmers green one. We need a store to replace Grouts – haberdashery, materials for sewing / mending / arts / crafts etc

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – park, community spirit

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – little free parking

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – pedestrianized area

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    Would encourage town centre use …because you could just stop side of the road easily and quickly

    Doesn’t support Sunday charging

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – happy with the range

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements- slightly wider pavement space on green lanes welcome

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle –very excited about the proposed clock tower

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – more wanted – the more ????? better

    Any other comments

    Other – looking forward to what the future brings to palmers green as a new owner of a business in the area

     

     

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – diversity of shops / restaurants

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – the number of shops which closed.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – reduced business rates for new owners of shops

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – introduce speed bumps (20mph) near schools

    Traffic calming (hedge lane) – a good idea for the Turkish supermarket near junction

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking. It would encourage visitors

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – some are necessary for safety of pedestrians

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops –more shops – less betting shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – discourage shops putting out advertisements for them on pavements

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / Clock tower – a good idea

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – yes. Definitely

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – a fair variety of shops / businesses / banks are available. It’s a reasonably clean environment as compared with wood green

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – there are real problems with parking which makes using the shops difficult .rather too many charity shops! Commercial rates for shop owners are far too high.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve -why not build a multi-story parking block – as in Enfield town? Improved parking would greatly improve the viability of local shops

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic –I have no problems with current traffic. Most drivers are considerate

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Support street ½ hr parking

    Would encourage more use of town centre. What we need is a multi-story parking facility. There is no point in free parking if you can’t park!

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – I have no issues with this – but fine people who drop litter

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – generally well presented

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – less charity shops. Clamp down on new (3) applications for betting shops.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements  -good

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – well and properly used by charities and schools

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – generally OK. The hanging baskets have been superb in the past.

    Any other comments

    Other- I am dismayed that consideration is being given to close / relocate the palmers green library. Leave it alone! It is excellent – and provides a first rate service.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – variety of local shops, ie restaurants, electrical, furniture, estate agents etc

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – no free parking in front of shops for the customers

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – to have  a time-limited free parking for customers

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – to reduce the speed level

    Traffic (hedge lane junction) – to enhance the traffic calming and safety measures

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    Would encourage more use of town centre

    Does not support Sunday parking

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – to take down unnecessary poles / posts and plant more plants

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops –perhaps add more colour to the building

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops –perhaps more general stores, such as Primark, TK Maxx

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – if you plant more flowers along the pavement it will keep  not only the ???? but the appearance

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – to have more plants to enhance the environmental appearance

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – to increase the amount of plants along the ???

    Any other comments

    Other  -if this area is to be more attractive, bigger shops such as Primark ???  ???? to be ????? and greener

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – we have a strong business Assoc that gets things done

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many drunks who use public and private areas to urinate and vomit particularly on shop doorways

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – close pubs earlier and stop people loitering

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic (hedge lane junction) – something should be done for cars turning right b and for pedestrians to make it safe to cross

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – railings are OK but lamp posts are in the wrong place

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – stop hiking parking prices up

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – new lampposts are almost in the middle of the pavements

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock tower – good idea with more sitting areas around

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – for winter and summer

    Any other comments

    Other –better Christmas lights

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    good – variety of shops, good access on foot, generally area feels safe, has a “local” feel

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many bookmakers in a small area, litter and dumping and dirty streets especially close to shops, not enough refuse bins. Parking can be a problem

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    improve – limit the amount of bookmarkers and some types of shops ie late night fast food stores, provide bins, more street cleaning and raise awareness in local people of the benefits of clean streets

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – sometime young lads in quasi sports cars rat run in excessive speeds in green lanes. Certain areas less good ???? of  ??????

    Traffic (hedge lane) – Yaser Halim causes problems - ??? ??? traffic controls needed there

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Support s1/2 free parking

    Would encourage use of town centre. I mostly walk but at times I won’t pop into shops on way back from work

    Definitely not Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – haven’t noticed that

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – some of the character has been eroded using modern shop fronts

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – less rubbish shops (bookies and cheap merchandise stores. ??? ???? Waitrose would welcome butcher, fishmonger

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements   -OK

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock tower- new tree please – I loved the big tree that was there – clock tower OK but needs to be Edwardian style, not modern style

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters- more of these – they help to make a “village feel”

    Any other comments

    Other – palmers green lacks the character and village feel of Winchmore hill. It would be great to achieve a real community feel.

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – it’s a nice area but does need some cleaning up

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – not enough shops to buy CD DVD etc. we need to find more parking areas

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – the pay and display system to be spread into side roads. Also cut the cost for parking to help the retailers in the area.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking – would spend more free time in the area

    Doesn’t support Sunday parking charges – I think the council should think about charging on Sundays as this will have a knock on effect on retailers. Shop empty business suffering.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    clutter – pavements need repair specially near the railway

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – could do with a lick of paint!

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    type of shops –need more fashion shops. Maybe a big name will attract people to the area.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – the toilets should be taken away. And put some seating area and small garden with some flowers

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – put some more hanging baskets on green lanes

    Any other comments

    Other – pavements need to be cleaned and swept and bins cleared out with jet wash especially where the pubs are.

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – have  a great community that works together, will be  a shame to spoil the businesses

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – crime increasing

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more PCSO’s on the road

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Supports free ½ hr parking. Would encourage more use of the town centre

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more high street shops for women will definitely attract more people into the area

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Any other comments

    Other – more high street shops such as clothes and shoes shops

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – active Residents Associations but with some flawed intentions. Business association with good contacts in the council. General ambience of palmers green was good.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – the general “mix” of pedestrians is getting rougher (groups of youths, too many pubs, gambling offices, late night pubs etc)

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – close pubs early, have more police (not kids) on the pavement, move people on if they are gathering in groups.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – a lot of traffic passes through – think of something that makes them stop and shop

    Traffic (hedge lane) – this has been a problem for many years and though the arrows are now painted on the ground you still can’t see oncoming traffic from hedge lane when you are coming down Bourne hill. . Needs filters

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking, and also transferrable tickets and more than 2 hrs min

    Often need to go to several shops for short visits so transferrable is good. Also, if having hair / beauty it can take 2-3 hrs, so often choose to go elsewhere where you don’t have to worry about moving car.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – clutter should not be confused with “ornate”

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – some shops look very grubby – shopkeepers should take more pride

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – get more people on the pavement – incentives to actually look at what is on offer

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock – good idea – need a “statement piece” that would automatically be associated with palmers green

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – yes brightens up the area

    Any other comments

    Other – council should do more to encourage both new investment in PG and also encourage existing traders to improve –not just grants, lower rates etc but also with advice – point them in the right direction

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – diversity of shops and restaurants particularly lemon tree and office interiors etc.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good - cameras giving tickets when drivers are still in vehicle but not dealing with yobbish behaviour near McDonalds or in car park.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    1. Make McDonalds exercise more control of the behaviour of some of the clients it attracts
    2. Monitor misuse of car park, litterbugs and jay walkers into road

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – educational campaign for pedestrian safety and cyclists ie DO NOT WALK INTO ROAD WITHOUT LOOOKING AND WHILS ON MOBILE PHONE!

    Traffic Hedge lane – traffic calming not needed at all if those who use the roads were taught more respect

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – ticket machine to issue 20min free ticket for quick shop

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    Would encourage town centre use because I don’t have to go to the supermarket!

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – Ok at present

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – is generally good but the tidiness and Edwardian look should be maintained

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops- gents outfitters would be good

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – smoking areas outside pubs should be stopped. Cafes and ?????? areas is nice if there is space. Cheapo shops however should be contained. Other pavements should not be sacrificed to restrict road use.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – something to replace the tree would be good.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – those which we have are very nice

    Any other comments

    Other – the two main problems with palmers green is

    1. The viability to park free for few minutes for a quick shop / pick up.
    2. McDonalds – mess and intimidation caused by some of its clientele

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – all the banks / boots / post office

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good -  increasing crime, a lot of youths smoking weed near Londis

    Too many coffee shops . cafes – need high end restaurants

    No more betting / gambling shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – put more police to help with reducing crime

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – not too bad

    Traffic / hedge lane -  better safety at the hedge lane traffic light junction – too dangerous

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking, would encourage us of the centre.

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – where necessary only put safety railings

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops –need cleaning fixing up

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops - more big name stores (eg like Waitrose)

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – this is OK – on the fox pub side of the road pavements can be wider

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle/ clock – yes it’s a good landmark given the stretch of green lanes

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – yes put some. Look pretty

    Any other comments

    Other – free parking (limited). More presence of police / community police

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – good independents and multiples traders – Broomfield park

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good -  some old buildings need painted and looked after

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve -  clean streets properly

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic - not a  problem

    Traffic / hedge lane – (calming) not necessary

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking, would encourage use of town centre. Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – black paint looks dull

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – some buildings on high road need painting

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – DIY

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – good

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock – excellent idea

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – need more

    Any other comments

    Other – markets / advertise palmers green to attract new shops and encourage local people to shop

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – plenty of very good restaurants, streets kept in reasonably clean condition, Broomfield park likewise kept in very good order

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – not enough retail outlets, ie bookshops, record shops, toy shops, too many hairdressers and nail bars

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – encourage new businesses filling the, too many, vacant shops which create a negative aspect to the area

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – traffic doesn’t seem to be a problem in palmers green as it flows through the area very well and we have adequate crossing areas

    Traffic / hedge lane – (calming) not needed

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking. Would encourage more use of town by enabling and encouraging short term shoppers to the area

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

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    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – long streets of shops but no central focus point. Fast traffic on Aldermans hill.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – 1. Slow down Aldermans hill traffic 2. Maybe some shrubs / trees at the triangle 3.  Get rid of electronic noticeboard at the triangle

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – Aldermans hill, especially over railway line, traffic is too fast

    Traffic (hedge lane) – pedestrian buttons to cross road with “green man” sign

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Suggest 15min free parking might be good

    This would not encourage more use of the town centre. I usually walk. But on occasions need to stop in car for something that takes 5 minutes

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – seems to be rather a lot on pavement near Lloyds bank. Electronic sign on Aldermans hill outside “venture Photography” blocks view of bus from people in bus shelter

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle. Clock tower – something like that is visually pleasing – get rid of toilets – wasted space – shrubbery ? seating ?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – well looked after tubs might be good

    Any other comments

    Other – 15 mins free parking might be good for local shops who want to stop at a shop for one thing – eg to collect dry cleaning, buy a bunch of flowers

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – friendly, cheerful, busy, energetic, good facilities – we need more trees to retain rural feel, people need to preserve greenery and front gardens

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too urbanised, need more green and trees, noise from too many ?? extractors ?? some traffic and parking problems

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – discourage food outlets, we have too many take-aways hence too much litter, need greater variety of shops, men and children wear, a shop to replace Woolworths. We need a butchers, and a garden shop, we used to have a fabric shop.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – people ie mothers with children should walk kids to school such as Hazelwood and Broomfield to ease congestion. London is very overcrowded compared to the 70’s.

    Traffic (hedge lane) – bring back the W2 bus which went from Enfield to Finsbury Park in one easy journey

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking. Doesn’t have a car so I walk but possible free parking will stop people parking on the pavement.

    Doesn’t support Sunday parking charges. The day of relative rest doesn’t stop people shopping. They can walk.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – there is too much street furniture and what happened to the tree for the Triangle, the real one to replace previous ?? ancient ?? tree.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – there is a hole in various roofs. The high street look is good. Old buildings need to be preserved to keep area ??????, unique features to be preserved.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – a greater variety needed, no more nail shops PLEASE, how about clothing, shops like ????, bookshop, video fair, bring back video fair DVD shop, internet café

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – we need more trees and less street furniture

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – the Triangle needs a replacement tree, a ??? tree helps the air and people feel calm and happy with trees, A REAL TREE and a bench.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – yes, yes, more please, more green,. This was always a green Borough. Businesses could help towards cost of plants and trees and street benches

    Any other comments

    Other – people to shop locally as only that will help the general economic downturn. There is a global recession but if people support their local area its better. I would be happy to help clean litter if I could do so in a group

    Please freeholders, ask less rent and less businesses will fold.

    We need a good variety, a bigger Smiths

     

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – fairly good variety of shops but need more and less cafes. Generally clean and tidy

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – need more clothes shops. Narrow pavement where the car / tv shops are near the bus stop. Too much clutter there (opposite studio 21)

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – do not allow signs on pavement where its narrow and busy. Take away any bins / posts along that stretch.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic - put double yellow lines next to McDonalds so cars can get in and out of car park without block the road outside.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports free ½ hr parking

    If you can park for a short time it’s worth trying to get something local. If you pay you might as well go further straight away.

    Doesn’t support Sunday charges

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – get rid of them on narrow pavements

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – O. closed shops need to look better.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops -  more variety. Clothes, shoes, sports, crafts, butchers / fish

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – only where pavement is wider but nice to have outside café seats. Don’t let shops fill up pavements especially on the narrow side.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle  -get rid of toilets and plant more coloured flowers

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – nice when the baskets are up. Other beds need to be better planted.

    Any other comments

    Other – do something to reduce costs for shops so they can stay / come in otherwise it won’t be worth us shopping in PG

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good  -it’s clean, there is a sense of community

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – parking, cycle lane

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – there should be some parking for the store staff. A cycling lane would help traffic.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking.  It would allow me to pop by and do the small bits in palmers green rather than Barnet

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – there does seem to be a lot of obstacles

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – they are old but it’s beautiful so just a clean-up would be good

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – need more clothes shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock -  the clock tower will be beautiful

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters- need more flowers in palmers green

    Any other comments

    Other – there needs to be more publicity for the market on Sundays

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – green spaces, lots of independent shops, good transport links, lots of very good quality restaurants from varied international cuisines

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – increasing levels of street litter and bubble gum tuck to pavements, becoming increasingly scruffy, increasingly inconsiderate parking – on double – increased rowdiness at night – groups of youths, loss of triangle tree was a tragedy

    Filthy wheelie bins in front gardens and rubbish /furniture left out in front drives.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – vastly improve cleanliness, more REAL police patrolling, declutter unnecessary street furniture – would improve street level views of shops and businesses, illegal parking (marking?) on domestic with no drop kerb, shop frontages and signage increasingly homogenised and cheap looking, more greenery

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – generally pretty good, free flowing and alternate routes, plenty of crossings for pedestrians, better than most areas BUT appalling congestion and parking on pavements along Oakthorpe Road on Fridays. Parking controls never enforced.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    Would encourage more personal use of town centre because of less exhaust fumes polluting area while searching and adding ????? to congestion

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

    This would discourage opportunities to spend money

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter -get rid of it – see my comments above. Contrast photos and film on you tube of palmers green in the 1950’s and 1960’s with modern ugly depressing clutter that obscures views of shops.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – going downhill –colour scheme and signage – new buildings near shell garage and opposite library look good. When will something be done with Truro House still derelict since I I first saw it in 19999 – 13 years ago!!!

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Types of shops – shops are becoming more downmarket. Becoming scruffier and more like green lanes – Haringey????

    Waitrose, Starbucks, Rimini, Alfred Herring, Red Cross Shop, N London Hospice -all good quality but some new shops there are changing character, although??? Iceland?? is good quality as are many independent.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements –see above, need to declutter.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock Tower – what proposed clock tower?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Planters – yes –good idea – potted plants / trees etc would improve  and hide ugly metal poles and bins

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – variety of shops in area

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Nothing

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Supports ½ hr free parking

    I would be more inclined to make short shopping trips and shops would benefit

    Does not support Sunday parking charges

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    [Green Lanes Business Association Survey]

    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – nice community of people, good access to food shops, restaurants, pubs and banks, good transport links

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – some empty shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – lower rent and rates for shops owned by independents. Too many charity shops.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Fine

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Does not support ½ hr free parking.

    Very frequent bus services

    It would encourage more use of town centre because it’s difficult to get to from Barnet, Cockfosters

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – a bit in the triangle

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – palmers green has a lot of charity shops. And betting shops. People don’t travel to a town centre to shop in these places. MORE INDEPENDENT SHOPS.  Some beautiful empty shops make an area look run down. Old buildings such as the fox pub and buildings along that side of the road.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle / clock – lovely Christmas tree there, could make much better use of the electronic noticeboard. Make it a centralised community space.

    Any other comments

    Other – have more street parties on green lanes

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    HAS A LOCAL FEEL  NOT TOO MANY CHAIN STORES.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    CLEARLY GREEN LANES IS A MAJOR ROAD PASSING THRU A LOCAL AREA.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    - TURN THE TRIANGLE INTO A ROUNDABOUT WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE ISLAND (LIKE SOUTHGATE CIRCUS).

    - REMOVE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTS AND REPLACE WITH MORE ZEBRA CROSSINGS.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    - TRY TO ENCOURAGE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY HGVs, TO NOT GO THRU PG, E.G. BY PUTTING SIGNS AT GREEN LANES / NORTH CIRC AND HEDGE LANE / GREEN LANES JUNCTIONS HIGHLIGHTING NON-HIGH STREET ROUTE VIA HEDGE LANE AND NORTH CIRC. THIS SHOULD BE CARROT (ALTERNATIVE ROUTE SIGNAGE) AND STICK (MORE TRAFFIC SLOWING MEASURES).

    - DO NOT REOPEN BROOMFIELD AVE TO THRU TRAFFIC.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    - PLEASE DO NOT REDUCE THE PALMERS GREEN STATION PARKING PROVISION.

    - CONSIDER ALLOWING RIGHT TURNS OUT OF THE STATION CAR PARK.

    REMOVE THE POST ON THE CORNER OF THE PG STATION CAR PARK AS YOU TURN LEFT ON TO ALDERMANS HILL.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    THIS SOUNDS OVERLY AMBITIOUS…

    PUT BUS STOPS ONLY AT THE END OF THE SHOPPING AREAS SO PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO WALK ALONG THE HIGH STREET AND HOPEFULLY VISIT MORE SHOPS.

    REDUCE ON-STREET PARKING (WITH LOTS OF SIGNS TO THE CARPARK BEHIND THE TRIANGLE) AND

    WIDEN THE PAVEMENTS AND ALLOW CAFES TO OFFER PAVEMENT SEATING.

    DO NOT HAVE GRASS AS IT WILL BE TRODDEN TO NOTHING.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    2 parks nearby.  Not a lot of teenagers hanging around on the streets. New Waitrose and Baskervilles tea shop. Friendly local people. 

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    It looks dirty, lots of rubbish on streets and dog excrement. Speeding dangerous  drivers. Shops on high street  in the main part look shabby and cheap. Too many betting shops. Pubs are horrible. Restaurants are ok but not a lot of variety, most are greek or Italian

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    I would like to see traffic managed more effectively and speeding drivers fined.  I would like the streets to be cleaner.

    It would be great to have nicer shops in the area that are aimed at 30-50 year olds, nice clothes, childrens and adults, a deli, cafe that sells nice food/ice creams. Shops that encourage you in with young children, something crafty to take kids to.

    Speed traps and humps on roads.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Horrible in the main. Shabby looking. Charity shops can be made to look nice. Pound shops look terrible and the stuff in them is not that cheap.

    Nicer frontage of shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Wider pavements. Seating outside for cafes. 

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Waitrose!  And some nice, smaller coffee shops opening up. Great charity shops, the Library, Westlakes. It has a station, a park, good buses, nice houses, all the ingredients for a great place to live

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Not enough unusual shops, shopping centre feels generally very down-market, compared with somewhere like Muswell Hill which has 2 good book shops, lovely cafes and more unusual, one-off shops. The tragedy is that wonderful individual shops like Grouts will be lost all over London and can never be brought back. Will also be losing C A Phillips shortly, Camera Craft has already gone.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Plant another tree on the triangle and tidy it up.  Bring back Grouts! Need some proper restaurants like the sadly missed Café Anjou.

    More street cleaning, tree planting, more waste bins, dog bins

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Haven’t found traffic to be any particularly problem as a pedestrian

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking - There is limited parking everywhere in London.  A lot of people park in the Fox car park. Hard to see how this could be improved though, there are just too many cars, not enough spaces. Plenty of space in Morrisons. I’ve never been able to park in Green Lanes itself. We should be encouraging people to walk to their local shops though and leave the car behind.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    I don’t think PG is any worse than any other areas. Can’t say I’ve actually noticed this.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops - Without totally rebuilding the entire shop frontage, it’s hard to see what could be done to improve it.  Most of the shop fronts are pretty ugly, but that’s the same in most of London. The Library building is a treasure and needs to be cherished.  The planting around it is overgrown and full of rubbish. 

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Attract more people to open shops / restaurants = lower rents!

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    I think the pavements are sufficiently wide, perhaps stop shops from encroaching onto the pavement with their products.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Plant another lovely tree to replace the horse chestnut!  Either re-open the toilets with a caretaker or close them up completely, they are AWFUL as they are.  I think it’s fairly pointless to design the triangle with seats etc, it’s not a public space – it’s a roundabout / junction. 

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Everywhere could benefit from more trees. Planters, once planted, are often neglected and end up full of weeds, litter and dead plants – there has to be a commitment to maintenance.

    Any other comments

    I think Palmers Green has the potential to be a great area but in a recession with so many shops closing down all over London, it’s hard to see what can be done to encourage shops to open and people to spend money in them. Does the council have any money to invest?

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    I love living in Palmers Green. It still has some variety of shops, and a moochable quality.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    ­  There is an unharmonious streetscape.

    ­  The triangle is ugly, particularly now that we don’t have a tree.  There is a lack of greenery.

    ­  The variety of shopping opportunities is narrowing. Charity shops, nailbars, fast food and cafes are proliferating.

    ­  There is a lack of community space in terms of one place being the centre of community life and activity.

    ­  Speeding traffic is a problem on all side streets – its not people going a bit faster than they should that causes concern ; its people putting their foot down and doing 50 miles an hour up the long straight side streets.    

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Could railings be removed on the triangle and replaced with further planting?

    Could the farmers market be relocated to in front of the job centre and electrical shop on a Sunday to give more of a sense of activity and try and increase footfall?

    I would love to see part of the new river opened up more fully to residents. There is potential. Truro house (one of the few historic buildings we have) has long been derelict but has extensive gardens going down to new river. The town hall also has river access, and in the terms of sale could require an area is set aside for the community.

    Sign up PG to Britain in bloom or some similar garden related/pride of place competition eg http://www.rhs.org.uk/Gardening/Community-gardening/Britain-in-Bloom or  http://www.rhs.org.uk/Gardening/Community-gardening/It-s-Your-Neighbourhood/New-to-its-your-neighbourhood/How-the-campaign-works

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Speeding traffic is a problem on all side streets – its not people going a bit faster than they should; its people putting their footdown and doing 50 miles an hour up the long straight side streets.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    There could be a more harmonious street scape and fewer railings and clutter, plus more use of well maintained planting to replace railings where possible 

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    There is a lot of unharmonious neon signage, and fascias aren’t super, but I am not sure you can change that.

    Question 4e. Specific aspects – type and range of shops

    PG is one hundred years old now; the building is quite harmonious, and there are nice places to eat. It has a sense of life to it, though it is hanging on for dear life.

    Prestige shops like Waitrose have brought more people in, as have new businesses like Baskervilles.  Increasing the variety of businesses would enhance palmers green. Some way of reducing cost of start up, or rents would perhaps help.

    Enhancing visual attractiveness, and restoration of broomfield house might bring in more visitors.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Remove railings and increase greenery in the triangle. Maintain beds, and move away from strict adherence to the ‘Council palate’ of planting where possible. There are plenty more plants that can cope with dry, poor soil eg Lavender, Russian Sage, Spanish broom   etc.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Yes it’s changed considerably but Palmers Green is still a nice place to live (We’ve lived here since 1970)

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Residential parking is a problem through over development and the splitting of houses into two or more residences thus bringing more vehicles than spaces into our roads. This in turn leads householders having their kerb dropped thus losing front gardens and the character of the street.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    As someone who walks or uses public transport as much as possible I’m not too fazed by traffic. I believe the Council have, over time made it relatively easy to get around as a pedestrian and, through traffic islands and crossings made crossing busy roads reasonably safe

    The downside of much of this is the fact that it has in some cases created more congestion. Widening the pavement at a bus stop for instance makes it safer for pedestrians, but while one bus is stood there with traffic queuing behind it other buses are also at a standstill

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    I can’t say anything about parking for shops etc because, with the exception of an occasional trip to Morrisons involving our vehicle, I don’t park in shopping streets.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    I would like to know whose idea it was to place some of these new lamp posts in the middle of the pavement in Green Lanes! More particularly, whose idea was it to place a lamp post right in front of a traffic light near Westlakes in Green Lanes at the junction with Aldermans Hill?

    There seems to be a growing amount of pavement clutter but most of it seems to have a legitimate purpose

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    With the exception of certain modern buildings, replacing the old cinemas for instance, Palmers Green retains its architectural character. Naturally the shops have changed since the days when Sainsbury’s had two counter service shops. Whether the visual impact of the increasing number of late night convenience stores adds to the general look is open to question but they are evidence of a changing population and culture.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    The type and range of shops has altered considerably over the years but this isn’t untypical of other shopping areas. However, there are still some shops that have been a part of the Palmers Green scene for many years and we need to encourage people to patronise them so they stay in business and continue to provide their service to the community

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    - In my experience the pavements are adequate in Green Lanes, though a little wider on the left travelling towards the Triangle fro Fox Lane. If widening the pavements means narrowing the road then I believe this would have a negative effect. It’s true Green Lanes is a shopping area but it is also a major route through to Enfield and elsewhere. Unless this route can be diverted away from Green Lanes it will continue to be so. A narrower road will slow the traffic, cause further delays to public transport and add to pollution. Banning cars and unnecessary traffic will only selfishly push the problem onto another community

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    I look forward to seeing this develop under the guidance of those who are committed to this space

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Hanging baskets could feature more. Maximum greenery could be part of the Triangle public space. We’re blessed with the nearness of Broomfield Park. Residents can be encouraged to maximise the use of greenery in their front gardens so there’s a few flowers amongst the concrete instead of weeds(!)

    Any other comments

    We like living in Palmers Green and have no current desire to move

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Waitrose, lots of banks, coffee shops

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    – too many charity shops and too many pound shops. Look shabby

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    shop signage to be in keeping with shops like Baskervilles tea shop.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    – roads off green lanes and Aldermans hill should have 20mph!

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    are very shabby. Makes PG look cheap

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    get rid of charity / pound / cheap shops

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    to be more pedestrianized

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    more needed

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    the parks. The arrival of Waitrose. The sense of community

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    the shops generally are poor and the look of the high street is ugly. The amount of traffic.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    more of a feature made of the triangle. More greenery on the streets. Outside seating – cafe’s. Shops to be more attractive capturing the old (period) style of the neighbourhood.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Broomfield park, shopping parade on Aldermans hill (particularly Baskervilles). Triangle shopping especially Waitrose and Morrison's. range of restaurants

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    traffic – particularly speeding traffic on Aldermans hill. Problems crossing roads to park and in green lanes. Noise pollution from rush hour traffic. Speeding along Aldermans hill

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    - traffic calming measures 0 20mph speed limit. No more betting shops. New tree put in triangle and some flowers / bushes would make it more attractive

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    see above. Traffic speeds up and down Aldermans hill so very difficult to cross. Traffic turning right from old park road going up Aldermans hill –lots of near misses

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    difficult to cross Aldermans hill by shops because of parked cars / vans. Pinch point between lakeside and Grovelands road on Aldermans hill very difficult – several accidents recently.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    signs at triangle rather ugly and bus stop by station on Aldermans hill with sign so big that obscures view of oncoming buses.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    basic architecture attractive but spoiled by some of shop fronts and neon signs and satellite dishes

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    fairly good but no more betting shops or pubs. Waitrose has been a good addition, lifted area with a “quality” shop. Seem to have a lot of charity shops and pound land shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    very narrow by PG station and heading to triangle.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Better use around triangle – could be nice area to sit if bench with flower bed / bushes and new tree

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    as above. Need greenery in triangle space. Entrance to PG station could be improved, maybe have planters

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Ruth Winston Centre; the park (Broomfield); the station allowing quick access to central London and beyond. Good and frequent bus services. Aldermans hill still fairly smart / Baskervilles and Waitrose

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    – the area from the triangle, ie green lanes has become very shabby and down market due to poor selection of shops. Groups of men hanging around the betting shops etc. bit sleazy.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    quality and variety of shops enabling one to shop locally. Only decent shops other than food shops are Westlakes, smiths, Clarks, H&B

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    – traffic does not really impact on PG or put off pedestrians. 20 mph would be good in residential roads.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    no comment as I walk.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    railings are there to protect – especially children and the elderly (especially outside station). Welcome to our town centre signs are too low and impair vision. Dangerous

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    too many coffee shops, hairdressers, betting shops. Greedy landlords not worried about variety – just getting their rent. Need to go elsewhere to shop.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    need for extra as people do not go window shopping

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    needs plants / benches under new tree

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    see above. Planters outside HSBC and Barclays need smartening up

    Any other comments

    – I know of a hairdresser who wants to relocate to N21. Fed up with N13. Feel unsafe due to unsavoury people wandering along green lanes. Palmers Green has gone downhill over the last 25 years. Urban decay spread up green lanes from Haringey.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – parks / tree lined streets / Edwardian house. transport generally. Shopping area specifically – not much!

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – volume of traffic / poor parking plus charges. Too many restaurants and fast food shops. Litter

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – remedies to above

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – too much priority to traffic and still traffic congestion

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – big problem. I don’t stop to make small purchases because of parking charges. Far easier to go to Sainsbury’s for a paper

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – too many ugly buildings

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – supermarkets have destroyed choice of small shops. Specialist shops required but parking. Traffic needs to be addressed to get customers in.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – one is inclined to say “what public space” ?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – “good attempt”

    Any other comments

    Other – changes will have to start small but radical. I know the triangle is being looked at but it will take so long.

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    1. You can generally buy almost everything you need in palmers green high street
    2. 2. The street trees are nice – although the leaves are not cleared in the autumn often enough

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Litter – especially outside the Fox and chewing gum on pavement

    Dog shit along the 500 year old footpath from fox lane to green lanes

    Many paving stones are cracked and can trip people

    Side streets need gritting in snowy weather

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    A good clean up and power wash (in Italy the street cleaners come every day early in the morning. In Paris there is also a daily street wash programme))

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic- too fast especially on Aldermans hill! Please try again to get a 20mph on the residential roads ie both sides of fox lane – straight link roads encourage speed!

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – what do palmers green  will do for the Olympic?

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – there is a tall black pole outside the TSB bank in Green Lanes that is in the way and difficult not to bump into. Remove some old lamp posts etc.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – wasn’t the architect named Sykes? He designed well. It would be good to restore that beautiful frontage on the old Grouts. It is beautiful also the rounded glass at the barbers near hedge lane and to the antique shop next door.

    Question 4e. Specific aspects – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more gayety and colour, flowers, lights, music

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – remove all unnecessary  obstacles, old lamp posts ,  adverts

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle- 

    1 Trees

    2 Fountain; or

    3 clock tower

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery  -more the better

    Any other comments

    French , Indian, Chinese and other street cooking alongside Broomfield park

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    There is a relaxed feel to the area.  I feel safe and have never felt threatened.  What could be a very pleasant area is ruined because traffic is allowed to dominate the area.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Traffic takes priority over people throughout the whole area. The appearance of the area is shabby and the council seem to neglect the area.  The so-called flower beds are poorly kept and in the wrong places.

    The pavements are filthy and very poorly maintained which is very off-putting to anyone visiting the area.

    Litter is allowed to accumulate.  Crossing any of the roads is a dangerous and time consuming process.

    Navigating the triangle on foot is very difficult.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    The whole area needs to become more pedestrian friendly.  It should be a place for people not cars.

    There need to be more crossing points.  There definitely should be a crossing opposite the first entrance to the park.  The flashing speed sign that has been put in on Alderman’s Hill is a total waste of time and the money could have been better spent.  The railings around the triangle should be removed and the flower beds on the corners moved to free up space.  You should be able to go straight across Green Lanes.  The flower beds are used to fence people in rather than improve the area.  It is impossible to cross between the Triangle and the Town Hall.  Does the road there need to be so wide?  There should be trees in this section which is very desolate.  It is also impossible to cross between Fox Lane and Hedge Lane.  The council has put in one token traffic island

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic is poorly managed.  It is both speeding and a danger to pedestrians or crawling and causing pollution.  As said above crossing anywhere in the area is very difficult.  Priority should be given to pedestrians – it is a place not just corridors from West to East or North to South.  There need to be more crossing points.

    The side roads should be built up to give pedestrian priority.  Lodge drive should be reduced in width.

    The area of the triangle should be reduced with Green Lanes North being reduced to one lane.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    I always walk (I live about 10 minutes away).  I never try and park in Palmers Green. I don’t use the car park so can’t comment.  I think you can park for two hours for free in Morrison’s.  I suppose the fact that there is on street parking is good for traders.

    I think more people could probably walk.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    There is too much clutter.  Signs seem to pop up all over the place.  The cctv masts take up a lot of space.  The hanging baskets could be attached to them or lampposts rather than having their own poles, example corner of Lodge Drive.  A lot of the signs are ambiguous, for example no-entry sign at the triangle next to keep left sign.  The railings around the triangle should be removed.  The old finger post should be made a feature.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    There is some beautiful architecture if you look up – I don’t usually because tripping on broken paving is too risky.  This is ruined by tatty shop fronts, garish signage with no thought to being in keeping with the area.

    The shop fronts are generally very dirty.  The Fox Pub which should be a beautiful building is dirty and shabby.  I wish someone could encourage the shopkeepers to keep their shop fronts clean and take some pride. There are a few good examples such as Waitrose on Green Lanes.  Baskervilles on Aldermans Hill is a shining example of what can be achieved.  The sight of Grouts slowly decaying behind the hoardings is very depressing.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    There is some beautiful architecture if you look up – I don’t usually because tripping on broken paving is too risky.  This is ruined by tatty shop fronts, garish signage with no thought to being in keeping with the area.

    The shop fronts are generally very dirty.  The Fox Pub which should be a beautiful building is dirty and shabby.  I wish someone could encourage the shopkeepers to keep their shop fronts clean and take some pride. There are a few good examples such as Waitrose on Green Lanes.  Baskervilles on Aldermans Hill is a shining example of what can be achieved.  The sight of Grouts slowly decaying behind the hoardings is very depressing.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    We are lucky that the pavements on Green Lanes are wide. It would be better if they were less cluttered, well maintained and cleaner.  The pavement space around the triangle needs to be improved.

    The pavement needs to be built up at the side roads and extended at Lodge Drive.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    The triangle is a collection of signs and a poorly kept flower bed.  The toilets which have been closed for years take up a lot of space and if they are not going to be used should be filled in.  The area need to be increased in size.  The railings need to go.  Crossing is a nightmare through the narrow gap someone cleverly lined a utility box up with the crossing to add to the fun!  The zebra crossing on the other side is a lottery.  The triangle should be a feature that could be used by the public.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    The flower beds are a disgrace full of cheap shrubs, weeds and litter.  The council is wasting our money on a contract to maintain these raised beds.  They are in the wrong place and being used to hem people in rather than as a positive feature.  There should be beds on the extended corner of Lodge Drive.

    There is generally a lack of greenery.  There is plenty of room for trees between the triangle and the library to improve this desolate area.  The flower beds should be full of seasonal colour. 

    Any other comments

    The general standard of the pavements is very poor.  The slabs are poorly laid in the first place.  Many are broken and uneven.  There are huge lakes every time it rains which the council can’t seem to see.

    They are all filthy – we were promised a deep clean last year but of course it never materialised.

    There is generally too much litter.  Cigarette butts and bank receipts don’t seem to count as litter in many people’s minds.  The pavement cleaning is very basic.  The bins are inadequate and should include recycling.  I wish, however, that people would take more responsibility for keeping the area tidy as even where there are bins you still see litter on the ground.  There is generally a lot of street clutter which has a negative effect on the area.  Lack of safe crossing places also has a negative effect on the area.

    The flower beds need to be properly maintained to give a lift to the spirits at present they depress and detract from the area.  May be local businesses could be encouraged to sponsor the flower beds.

    The one outside Starbucks is a disgrace – it is at best an ashtray.  The company should be held to account.

    The areas to the north and south of the main shopping section are very unattractive with poorly maintained frontages and a general lack of greenery.  There is plenty of room for trees on the pavements but it would be good if local businesses could be encouraged to think greenery.

    In conclusion, I feel the council has neglected this corner of the borough and for very little money there could be some improvements. Obviously, a complete overhaul of the area would cost money.

    However, I also feel that local people have a large part to play.  The local businesses need to develop a pride in the area and up their game if they are to attract more people to the area.  The public need to respect the environment.  They should walk when possible, if driving be courteous, put their litter in the bin,

    Take responsibility for reporting problems to the council.  They should support local shops, otherwise they only have themselves to blame when they close down.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – transport, parks, Edwardian houses

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – shops, parking, too much development and extension of houses. Lack of Council planning control.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – fewer rent increases for shops therefore encouraging a more diverse range

     Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – No more CPZ please. Perhaps first half hour free so that you could pop into shop for a paper or loaf

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – keep to minimum

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – lower business rates to keep a diverse range of shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – good to have pavements overhauled so that fewer people trip and hurt themselves

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – please plant another one!

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – not really necessary

    Any other comments

    Other – would be good to have streets and pavements swept regularly

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – cosmopolitan, large amount of educated people with interesting ?????

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good  - dirty streets

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – no smoking butts or spitting on street

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – speed OK

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – parking should be cheaper, too expensive

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – streets are cleaned / cleared (?)

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops  -OK

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – OK

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – something done about toilets

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenry – looks nice

    Any other comments

    Other – I can not believe the house opposite  ?groveland? road N14 got passed for housing it doesn’t make sense at all, the officials forget they are also the public!

    (NB Grovelands Road is N13. It could refer to “bourne” opposite Grovelands park which did recently (controversially) get planning permission for housing)

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    Great!

    I shall respond since I am particularly concerned about the Conservation area frontages on Aldermans Hill. I raise this regularly with Development Control and the CAG (including Councillors). I have a list of outstanding issues which have been raised with Development Control over the last year, and I resubmitted it again at the last CAG.

    This initiative will help apply pressure to deal positively with problems; currently anything seems to go. There is a supplementary plan design guidance for shop fronts, but it is not being followed in this area, though aspects such as security blind design has been applied on Cannon Hill. As shops fairly regularly remodel their frontages it shouldn't be impossible to improve their appearance on a rolling basis. Removing satellite dishes and controlling Estate Agent signs will also help.

    Traffic Island in Green Lanes just around corner from Triangle by Boots – could there be some sort of marking on the road way (like a “yellow box”) as when traffic lights are red the traffic queues up and drivers do not leave space on the crossing site for pedestrians to cross .

    These additional crossings are not as useful as first appeared as parking is allowed right up to them and if  the parked vehicle is much bigger than a small hatchback cannot see approaching traffic without having to go out into the road.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – useful convenience stores, which mean we don’t always have to go to a big supermarket. Waitrose is especially wonderful.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – looks scrappy. Limited types of shops (ie too many of one thing). Uninspiring restaurants. Too stringent parking.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – relax the parking restrictions.

    Bring in some interesting, different (more stylish) shops and restaurants.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – as Green Lanes is a main thoroughfare, I don’t see how this can be changed(except by making it a Red Route, which would be a disaster for business.)

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – Parking on the street should be free for 20-30mins. This would be good for business, as paying puts people off.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – shops shouldn’t be allowed to have goods (or booths) on the pavement. It takes up room and looks cheap and tacky.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – the shops look pretty bland but the architecture is nice.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – we do not need any more Mediterranean supermarkets, nail bars, estate agents, charity shops, take always or Mediterranean grill restaurants. We need some interesting, stylish useful places – there is nowhere (apart from The Only Place for Pictures) to buy presents for example.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – as mentioned above, shops should not be allowed to have good on the pavement unless they are set back slightly.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – very dull and uninspiring – just a lump of concrete. Can we get rid of the ancient toilets -they are filthy and full of rubbish. Maybe we could have one or two market type stalls there at the weekend to liven it up?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – the flowers are generally pretty good

    Any other comments

    – I feel strongly about the subject of Green Lanes. I love Palmers Green for its community feel but am constantly bemoaning the lack of decent restaurants and shops and a stylish pub (serving good food). The choice of restaurants is very poor – every time one opens, it’s yet another “grill”. We need  a Thai restaurant, or Vietnamese (or nay South East Asian). We lost our only French restaurant (what is happening with the site of café Anjou?) some sort of modern European or fish restaurant would be nice. If it has to be a grill than what about something like Samadan in Winchmore Hill which has the same basic menu, but has paid attention to the décor which, which makes all the difference (Kouzina is the only place in Palmers Green which has really done this). The success of Baskervilles showed that we want stylish places that look appealing as well as serving good food.

    With regard to shops, again, no more of the same thing. There’s nowhere to buy toys, or anything for the home, or nay decent gifts.

    We should be looking to Winchmore Hill for inspiration but at the moment its beginning to look more like Haringey.

    Please do all you can to make it somewhere that people actually want to come and visit

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good  -the parks, Baskervilles, Waitrose. That’s it.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many cheap shops, bad pubs, no butchers, grocers, fish shop, book shop etc.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – better high street with more interesting shops. Renovate big house in Broomfield.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic-  yes too fast on residential roads – so block or special bumps

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – yes – shabby facades and naff shops

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – a waste

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good  -the park, the people, Lakeside (? Unclear writing)

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – what about hr free? The roads – too much of a through route; not enough community venues

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – a café in the park, a good market, safer roads

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – there is too much fast traffic its hellish

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – should be free by park always

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – lots of extra clutter around ??! why?

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops  -its OK but could be better

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Range of shops  - need more

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – terrible

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – needs to improve

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – small shops and good transport

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many mobile phone shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – tree planting and ????? parking would help

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking  -can drivers won’t come without car parking

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – especially the pebble dashed stands for ?????? (may be Council) adverts. Take them away!

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – nice and varied

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – want the tree back

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – flowers are high maintenance. Trees are better

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – transport links are good. Village feel to the place. Small shops

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – need more trees in the streets. Decent pavements need to be checked

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more car parking, free. Traffic restrictions

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – more thought to pedestrians

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – too expensive

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – definitely too much clutter

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – some shops are tatty looking but some are good

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Range of shops  -useful shops rather than takeaways etc

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements  -the pedestrian is often neglected

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle- need a new tree

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – definitely need more plants

    Any other comments

    Other – Baskervilles is superb

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – vibrant mixed community

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – can be shabby in places

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – tidier streets, less empty shops

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – too much traffic, too fast – deters pedestrians

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – too high but residential parking is essential but should be free or minimal cost

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – too much pavement clutter

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – buildings esp. residential are v. attractive but many of the shops can look shabby

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type / range of shops – more locally run shops including good clothes, books, music and small boutiques and nice delis / food shops. Less fast food shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – there should be more bins for recycling / litter etc

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – should be used for something – it is wasted at the moment. Could be made more attractive / more of a focal point

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – more please! Would be good at the triangle

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – transport, parks, shops like Baskervilles to meet friends

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – spitting on the ground, littering and on occasions loitering

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – good quality shops ie like M&S, BHS. Less cheap shops

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – there should be some free parking zones

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – most could do with a good clean and uplift

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – family orientated with good facilities

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement s- pavement could be extended a little

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Pavement s- pavement could be extended a little

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – plenty more needed please.  Hanging baskets also an option.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – it’s very green

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – the job centre

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – better shops on the high street

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – “I’m alright with it”

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – it’s fine

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – V. cluttered

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – high street = messy

    Aldermans hill = nice

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – lovely

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – the vibrant mix of people

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – some anti-social behaviour and refuse / litter

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more bins / more frequent collections esp from flats above shops-front and back, where residents don’t have proper bins

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic- some traffic calming measures, esp in Aldermans Hill and at Bourne Hill crossings. In fact there is no proper crossing between the Fox and Bourne Hill.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – more and cheaper please!

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – if these could be reduced it would be very positive

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – if we could return some to their former glory eg Grouts and the old book shop

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of sho p- less pound shops, more independent ie not big chains

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle- a tree please and public toilet regeneration

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – yes please

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – library, coffee shops, park, Waitrose, Baskervilles

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – fast food chains, pound type shops – muggings in the area around the Triangle – I don’t feel safe

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more independent shops. More policing – visible bobbies on the beat, more quality food chains, eg Wagamama

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – expensive – it should be free parking for an hour

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more quality shops like Waitrose. Get rid of fast food and DON’T allow more kebab shops

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – this could be more attractive

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – more

    Any other comments

    Other – I was mugged in Palmers Green – I don’t feel safe at night

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – people can be powerful together, eg Lakeside residents and street lighting issue

    Location / ??, tube links to central London

    Physical elements of trees, style of houses, parks such as Grovelands. Effort made to make PG look Christmas.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – crime into (in/?) area. Areas that become intimidating in the evening

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic-  tackling speed of Domino Pixxa delivery bikes along Fox Lane

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – on certain roads parking restrictions are over the top. Good parking area behind Waitrose; cost not bad. Difficult parking for elderly, wheelchair users on the high street.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – think it is generally filthy

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – don’t notice architecture as most of time don’t look up. But it is lovely and should be protected. Shop fonts – most take care of design.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – no more charity shops even though ones in street are good. No more restaurants needed – do many offer lunchtime to keep people in PG. clothes shops – like M&S needed. Current type cater for particular type and age of clientele

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – not great, but extending may restrict parking on high street

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – naff.loos are waste of space and rubbish tip. Areas such as the Triangle and House in Broomfield remain idle for too long

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – like ones from lamp posts 0 ignore H&S brigade!

    Could do with more – keep the colour on PG!

    Any other comments

    Other – PG needs to have something to attract residents like me who live nearer S/Gate, so will shop more for clothes, toiletries in Enfield.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – the Xmas lights!

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – pound shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – maybe craft shops

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – usually quite congested but not unusual for shopping high street

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – not noticed (by car)

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – general impression bit tatty – sorry!

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – garden centre with outdoor plants. Good children’s clothes and stock uniforms? Only H&M in Enfield

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – bring back the tree

    Any other comments

    Other – I live at the top of Fox Lane and to be honest I am unaware of what shops are in Palmers Green which must speak for itself! This is not meant nastily!

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    A butcher, a baker and a candlestick maker would be a good start. I visited Essex Rd for the first time recently, another busy bus route with a mix of affluent and deprivation. Simply having a good butchers, fishmongers and veg, a decent pub (and my personal favorite!) a lovely material shop/ cafe with space downstairs for courses, tutorials etc. gave me the hook to want to return. That peppered with an off-licence, betting, pound shop and all that we're familiar with up here is infinitely more paletable. 

    How do you magic that? Maybe check if there's a group behind essex Rd driving an initative?I think forget about hanging baskets and street widening. Get a stronger hold on what shops the locals are willing to have. I can't imagine if asked people actually want so many betting, beauty, charity etc type shops.

    I'm on a low income but I'd rather shop at Morrisons and grab their deals and then with the savings get fresh produce and ethically reared meat elsewhere. That's a personnel choice but doubt I'm alone in that thinking. Loads of young families in PG.

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    Enhance the shopping experience and area by having theatre in central spaces, such as the Triangle.

    Have perhaps five local artists working in the high street

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – the great sense of community. Broomfield park is lovely

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – the high street is a bit shabby

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – the high street and in particular the retail mix. Also a clean up of the pigeon mess outside the empty shop opposite video shop. This must constitute a health hazard if nothing else.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – lots of cars jump the traffic lights especially near the video shop. Can cameras be brought in as a deterrent?

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking- too expensive and not enough spaces

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter –not an issue

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – mixed: some shop fronts / signs not very attractive but it may be too expensive for the independent shop owners to replace. Maybe a loan / bus. Rate discount could be given to those who improve  ?? appearance

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – not really an issue

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – needs some sort of feature. Maybe a memorial?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – there aren’t any on the high street. Flower planters would be agood improvement.

    Any other comments

    Other – please no more bookmakers.it is extremely sad to watch desperate people being exploited in these times.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – well lit mostly clean streets with little clutter. Lots of high street banks are around and supermarkets. Shops stay open for commuters coming home after work

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – parking is difficult and expensive and few spaces available in the evening when visiting restaurants

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more high street shops, better parking facilities with some being free for X mins if just need to quickly get something in town. More restaurants of a varying nature with more evening entertainment in pubs / bars.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – usually busy but plenty of pedestrian crossings which are quick to turn lights red so not a problem.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – limited availability on high street and no car parks available in evening which makes it difficult. It discourages people to come into town to grab a few things if they have to pay to park.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter  -not considered a problem

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – generally ok and well maintained. Several discount stores make the area look cheap

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – there are am lot of bargain shops but not many high street stores. Not many clothes stores, travel agents or gift shops / card shops which would be useful

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – currently not a problem

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – seems wasteful as nothing really there

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – seems nice and makes the town look more attractive

    Any other comments

    Other – would be good to have a market once a week in a prominent area of town to attract people

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – nice shops and cafes

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – crossing between station and morrisons. Speeding cars especially on aldermans hill

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more plants; traffic calming, but would need to address traffic control on Lakes Estate too

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – slower traffic speeds needed on aldermans hill and Lakes estate

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – some beautiful architecture first storey and above

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – an independent greengrocer

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – increase pavement space with traffic calming measures

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – total redesign – make it bigger, more plants, could be a good sitting place

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – lots more of these

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good- clean, very safe – in comparison with other boroughs

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – lack of up market shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – less pound shops, parking restrictions, zebra crossings – the one near HSBC needs to be moved

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – introduction of reduced parking ticket if purchased in blocks or six monthly

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – a face lift – drives on the main road clearly identifiable – either by a  strong white line or lowered pavement

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – clothes designer – low rent for 1st year. We have to either compete or be better than Winchmore hill

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – enjoy the Mediterranean style, tables on the pavement, bring about change

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – dependent on the space / size – art gallery – relocation of zebra

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – good selection of seasonal incorporating vibrant colours during spring and summer

    Any other comments

    Other – maintain community police

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – the park, shops like waitrose, boots etc. cafes like Baskervilles

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many betting shops

    Too many cheapo £1 shops

    Dirty run down post office.

    Too many cars in green lanes.

    Cars that park in residential roads all day and use station.

    Very uneven poor paving stones.

     Condition of bridge at end of fox lane.

    Too much rubbish, dog excrement

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Too much , too fast

    Need new crossing in Aldermans hill – very dangerous crossing in shops without one

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – cost OK. Need to encourage people to walk.

    Residents only parking like in Winchmore hill.

    In roads around station, Grovelands road esp needs 1030 – 1130 am restriction for residents only

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – many road signs old and in poor condition

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – stop use of pavement for cheap £1 shops, need to go upmarket

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more small independent shops, deli’s, organic, bakery, butcher, fishmonger. V little choice at moment. Need to attract more affluent shopper.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – pavement size OK, but stones need replacing and driveways improved like the Council did in N14 and N21. Tarmac needs replacing on nrailway bridge at end of fox lane and corregated fence needs urgent paint

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle- sort out old public toilets, either use or close safely. More greenery

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – more planters and greenery needed.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – independent shops, nice places to eat and drink. Nice housing , Broomfield Park

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – traffic, some parking difficulties, anti social behaviour

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – environmental improvements – traffic calming

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – keep costs low as possible – keep free ?? in car park ?? on Sunday. Reduce unnecessary parking ?? restrictions ???

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – remove as much as possible to enhanced the environment

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – the post office seems very run down and the library is remote and uninviting. These two facilities can be vital for an area

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – parking is a big issue here – increasing the cost will put people off. Important to try to protect independent shops. Independent shops make palmers green distinctive. As shops and centre thrive more “chains” move in.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements  -widen where possible but no loss of parking

    Any other comments

    Other – I liked the previous councils plans to bring the library into the town centre and to give it a shop front. The current library is remote and looks uninviting

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – my local shopping area should be Southgate chase side. Palmers green has a greater variety of useful shops. The supermarket Morrison’s is an asset in terms of variety and price

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – space is required to provide a greater variety of shops to render, as far as possible, journeys to Enfield and wood green unnecessary

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – palmers green is a direct route between Enfield and wood green. Are there possible by pass routes available?

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – I rarely park in palmers green except at Morrison's, the superstore. Waitrose does not seem to possess a parking area for customers

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter  -everything that does not contribute to safety should be removed

    Any other comments

    Other – it would seem that major improvement work with respect to the above unanswered questions (- refers to 4 blank standard questions - ) depends very largely on the space necessary to effect improvements and how available space is distributed between traffic and pedestrians

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good  -safe, clean streets. Good bus services, especially the reliable W9. Pleasant green spaces.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good  -inevitable increase in traffic clogs our streets. Difficulties with parking, meters expensive

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – some pavement slabs are still askew after last winters extreme weather – hazardous for walkers

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – more solar powered speeding reminders are needed in the following roads: Aldermans hill, and in each of the roads running from fox lane through to Aldermans hill

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – too expensive

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter- is the decorative railing, by the newly planted tree at the fork of fox lane and bourne hill really necessary?

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops  -there should be conservation orders on the late Victorian / Edwardian shop fronts to preserve them and their elegance.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – charity shops are lively, fun and great for bargain hunters, but in palmers Green we have enough now!

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle  -the zebra crossing from WH Smith side to the central reservation at the Triangle is often ignored by motorist who are turning left from green lanes

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Enfield is a fine “green” borough. Yes to planters, wherever they may be placed. Ask more local businesses to sponsor planters

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – divers mix of people, reasonable public transport; you have the basics- park, supermarket, library. Good roads leading in and out of town

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good  -grubby; not green enough in main street, overall not a cohesive look to the town centre; feels a bit rough sometimes

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – cleaner , greener more creative shopping opportunities

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – quite congested especially on green lanes. Rather fast – could reduce speed limit? Green lanes and triangle horrible to cycle on. Ceaseless stream of traffic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – I don’t drive so can’t answer

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – very cluttered with no visual cohesion

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – above shop level great – at shop level grubby and ugly

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – Baskervilles tea shop  a beacon of fresh, well thought out business – just what we need –community focused, not a chain, great product and visually really inviting. Far too many pound shops. The fox and Alfred herring are unimaginative, boozy, off putting and not family focused. Keep the areas rough image.

    Bookshop?

    ?? right ?? quality clothing shop

    Craft shop (loads of mums and kids in the area)

    “pop up” shops

    Nice toy shop –not “toys r us”. Independent

    Generally encourage more independent retailers

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – wide pavements are wasted because of the traffic. The large homes towards  hedge lane have horribly maintained unattractive drives – depressing and imply an economic wasteland

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – I don’t know if its possible but it would be wonderful to pedestrianize this area or crate a shared traffic / pedestrian space (like by the museum in Kensington). At least clear the are and do some really fresh, vibrant planting - ???? the WC’s

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery  -more would be nice!

    Any other comments

    Other  -there is so much potential in this area – it already has some convenient retail outlets but is let down by a terrible, grubby, un joined up aesthetic. Special business rates for fresh new “locally grown” start-up retail outlets.

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    There is a real sense of community around this area which I think is supported / generated by the business association with fun day and Easter eggs – more would be good

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – walking up and down the high street has become a bit of an assault course – dodging randomly placed bits of steet furniture

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve  -I would like to see something / anything done about the public toilets at the triangle

    More seats / benches closer to the banks

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – its great to be able to cross almost immediately at coffee culture. A crossing island  midway to Di Neros and MultiYork would slow traffic and allow people to cross safely

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking- short stay parking (20-30 mins) should be free. Parking at both sides of the road at hazelwood lane is very dangerous at the corner by anthony webb and coffee culture

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – too much and badly positioned. Some of the street signs could be put on lamp posts. All items lined up at road side or building side – not in the middle. Allow free flow of pedestrians

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – generally good . I like the architecture above the shops and most shop fronts are well designed.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – too many coffee shops and far too many bookies

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – keep pavements as uncluttered as possible as the high street is pretty busy

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle –do something about the toilet area. And replace the real tree

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – hanging baskets on street lamps

    Any other comments  Other – encourage small independent local businesses rather than chains

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – the fact that there is a good choice of shops and restaurants from many cultures

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – it would be nice to have a hardware shop (similar to Robert Dyas), toyshop and baby / children’s wear shops. Also a butcher and fishmonger would be a big benefit.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve –ensuring shops do not close down or get run down. Is this because business rates are high?

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking 0 1. Cost  are very high and traffic wardens are quick off the mark too!! And cameras 2. This may not still be relevant but the last time I used car park in lodge drive access road was full of deep pot holes. This should remain open later in evening because of large number of restaurants and a banqueting hall in the area.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – general ythis is OK but some look scruffy and need updating. Some shops have closed down for some time and not been re-opened (eg the old Grouts building)

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – see previous answers. There are possibly too many restaurants

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – it is a pity about the tree that had to be felled but it would be good if that could be replaced. The public toilet there presently should be demolished but replaced with one above ground (like at Winchmore hill) charging maybe 10-20p for use. This would help parents with small children, drivers and shoppers etc.

    Any other comments

    Other  -by having a bigger range of local shops and facilities, that people ,can get to on foot, this would cut down traffic pollution in the area. There are also too many houses and flats being built in the area with no increase in facilities ( eg doctors, hospital beds, school places, etc) o the area has become very overcrowded.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – good selection of shops and cafes. Excellent park. Very good transportings

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – dingy shop fronts

    Not enough litter bins

    No public toilets

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – brighter shops – benches -more planting. Good signage

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic - from a personal point of view I do not see the present volume of traffic as problematic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – inadequate and expensive

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – railings though attractive take away pavement space in places

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – parts of green lanes looking very tired. Original  structures should be preserved – gives a village “feel”

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more specialist shops – could mirror Winchmore hill shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – far too narrow in the triangle / Aldermans hill area

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle  - underused – could be a great local focal point

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery  -more small trees. Very happy with the summer hanging baskets which always look lovely and are well watered.

    Any other comments

    Other –palmers green is a very good place to shop but it needs to retain its village feel. Empty shops do not help – maybe landlords could be encouraged to reduce rents in these austere times

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – good selection of shops. Most shopkeepers polite and helpful. Waitrose is a plus. Public transport pretty good.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – main No 1, cyclists riding on pavements of all ages at speed without any thoughts or consideration for others.

    Fox Lane bridge on left from green lanes used as a toilet. Grassed area before bridge used as a toilet area for dogs and cans and bottles and litter

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve  - more people on streets given fines for above mentioned items and anti-social behaviour. More dogs on leads and under control.

    Also green lanes at end of fox lane to be patrolled by council officers occasionally re previously mentioned items. Something to be done re bags left in front of charity shops and the people who steal from them leaving a mess.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – a lot of people who use fox lane treat it like a race track. Personal yi would like to see cameras or traffic humps.

    Bottom of fox lane from green lanes to Caversham avenue excessive speed by all traffic. I’m surprised the sign that lights up at 30mph is not worn out.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – availability very difficult

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – green lanes at times does seem to be very cluttered

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – not bad considering. Something to be done to empty shops, ie general tidying up and cleaning of windows.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – I think that is the million dollar question

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle -I would like to see a public convenience there again. As far as I’m aware there isn’t one in the palmers green area. This probably accounts for the bridge in fox lane being used as it is.

    Any other comments

    Other – by and large I think it is a reasonably pleasant place to live. Fairly good transport links. But if anywhere gets into a very run down state!

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – library: coffee shop (aroma). Remaining Victorian / Edwardian buildings

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – the general “look” of the area, it appears generally “scruffy”. Also the extent that shop owners have been allowed by the Council to alter the appearance of premises without due regard to historical appearances, such as Trimming shop (end of Devonshire Rd) (Grouts)

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve  - take a look at (say) Cockfosters parade. Emulate the appearance.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – traffic speed should NOT be reduced. Further congestion is NOT required.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – council should try to attract shoppers – not deter them by lack of parking facilities. Why not use existing sites such as P Green town hall? Look for more.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – try to reduce where safe to do so

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – this has been sadly let down. In other places, shops etc must comply with existing architecture, certainly not change it by ugly hoardings or shop fronts. We should be emphasising the Edwardian / Victoria n architecture. Not covering it up or removing it.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – this is nothing but a bus interchange, perhaps further planting tubs could be introduced, but may suffer damage by vandalism.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – parks, assortment of shops and eating places. Generally a pleasant place to live

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good  - general lack of respect and consideration by residents and those passing through (particularly motorists) for others in the community.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve  - penalties for those who leave their bins on the pavement over 24 hrs, eh Borne Hill N13. Motorists who drive over grass kerbs, ruining the grass and spreading ??? over the pavements. Landlords of rented properties who A) extend without planning permission B) don’t ensure their tenants decent behaviour

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – much too fast, particularly in side roads

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – free or cheaper parking fees might benefit shops .double yellow lines on green lanes outside st Monica’s church seem unnecessary as that part of green lanes doesn’t suffer traffic congestion. Parishioners attending the 930 mass on weekdays and who arrive even a few minutes before 930 have been issued with fines. Quite unnecessary.

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Look of shops – sorry to see the old original frontages being done away with

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Type of shops – free or cheaper parking may help shoppers linger longer, thereby encouraging other shops to open up

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Pavement –OK

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – buskers ?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery  -excellent

    Any other comments

    Other –

    1. I would like to see restrictions on paved front gardens which are often cemented before being bricked
    2. also  on number of dropped kerbs and their width – where are visitors to park?
    3.  Regular pruning of street trees, cracks are appearing in the front of all houses and although the Council have been informed that surveyors have shown concern only “routine” letters are sent out. No’s 69, 75 and 77 are displaying cracks and have coincidently trees outside.
    4. A cluster of not very well supervised care in the community houses in the area of Burford gardens
    5. Unregulated destruction / construction of properties. Why aren’t developers who flaunt the law penalised severely? Eg if they demolish properties without permission they should not be allowed to build on the land for at least 12 months. Unregulated extensions should be demolished.

    We need to return to being a decent society, where, as Barak Obama once said self-interest should be inextricably linked with the interests of others

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – attractive design and solid structure of the older buildings. Therefore  a good framework to build on.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good –shabby  shop fronts; lack of variety in retailers; general run down look and lack of quality

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve  -stronger planning conditions so that owners cannot detract from architectural structure

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – on most stretches of roads there are sufficient crossing points. I don’t think it is necessary to reduce speed as green lanes is a main road

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – parking is a problem and perhaps it would be possible to have short stay parking the whole length of shops. No charge for up to 30 mins would keep availability

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – I’m sure this could be reduced

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Pavement  -quite sufficient except when scaffolding is in use

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – this has no particular use – I can’t imagine people congregating there in view of passing traffic pollution

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – this would make the area more attractive but must be regularly tended so that plants arte healthy and litter free. This would be costly but could be sponsored.

    Any other comments

    Other  -I would like to see palmers green updated.at present I hardly shop there  as it is most depressing

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good  - architecture some remnant of independent shops. Park a real asset. Good cafes. Friendly local footfall in shops.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – dirty pavements, too many similar cheap shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve  - power cleaning of streets. Smart litter bins. More cohesive features to increase feeling of town centre

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic - congestion, constant traffic queues. Better parking needed

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – Baskervilles is very good, og of initiative and appreciative of areas historic suburbs

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement –planting on wide pavements eg nr Oxfam

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – more local events advertised. Tree lovely. Seasonal displays

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – sponsored by schools fro eg Morrison's etc

    Any other comments

    Other – encourage large stores eg Morrison's to have presence in high street by sponsorship etc. entice shoppers from supermarkets to rest of N13. 

    Flag up Aldermans hill as a special interest area to give an identity to parade.

    Tokens to be collected for shopping locally.

    Revamp Sunday market

    Use empty shops eg Old Grouts building as drop in café for young and old. Get many local churches to get involved.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – transportation is good. Bus and rail connections very convenient. There is a sense of community though I do sense this needs to be maintained (improvements on the horizon)

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – night time can feel slightly “edgy” especially close to McDonalds. Improvements could be made to choice of shops .

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve - more individual shops. Improvements to triangle. Make the information board  more up to date. Current information. Perhaps a clock.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – green lanes will always be a busy road. The Hazelwood junction is busy and does lend itself to road rage!

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking –I live local so primarily walk

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – the last instalment of street furniture was badly placed. The pavements are very untidy and cluttered

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops –encourage “shop local” give shop owners cheaper rent. This should definitely be the case for independent shops . they need all the help they can get.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle –how about a clock? Clear the mess. Benches with flowers. Removal of the toilets or redevelopment of.

    I have since revisited the triangle and noticed that the information board has gone. The space is much bigger than I thought it was. I also noticed how fantastic the sign posts are. They are original by the look of it and I feel should be retained. This perhaps is an example of how people do not always notice what is around them. Sometimes things are not “missed” / appreciated until they are gone.

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – we need more. They always make a place look better.

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – the variety – shops, green space. It also feels safe.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many pound type shops selling similar wares

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – new ???? shops. More for children eg craft, pottery shops. A decent bookshop

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – traffic can be too fast on Aldermans hill

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – generally good

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – generally good

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – some shop s look untidy and in need of maintenance

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – bookshop; children’s craft / potters shop or the like. Space for toddler / children’s groups. Decent clothes, gift, delicatessen, butchers, fish shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements –could do more eg table, chairs, alfresco eating

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – could be more attractive eg grass / flowers and / or use for local events and days

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – interesting ethnic mix and variety of shops and supermarkets. Comparatively crime free. Decent housing stock. Good parks, open spaces and sports facilities. Library, charity shops. High street lighting. Refuse collection (recycling)

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – inadequate street parking. Street litter. The building in Broomfield park.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – notices warning of penalty for dog fouling on streets. The palmers green link with the police needs to revert to its original pattern of weekly reporting.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – pedestrian crossing lights at junction of green lane and Bourne hill needed. Introduce 20mph limit in all roads.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – introduce residential parking permits on streets off green lanes

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – litter; urinal railings on triangle; speed limit signs that don’t work (near Hazelwood school)

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – hideous churches (eg St johns); empty premises (eg formerly grouts)

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – too many hair dressers, betting shops, coffee bars and eating places and dearth of decent restaurants. Only one shoe shop

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – either re-open or fill in public urinals and remove railings. What happened to the tree?

    Any other comments

    Other – Xmas decorations in high street used to be among the best. Now among the worst. Why?

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – restaurants and pubs and charity shops

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – bookies, the paradise club, and empty shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – decent shops, burger king, fancy dress shop, things for kids

    Car boot sale in fox car park on Sunday

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – need more free parking – too many parking restrictions

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – need more and free

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – n/a – less tramps / crack heads

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – could be cleaner

    Question 4e. Specific aspects – type and range of shops

    Type of shop – less bookies, more variety, more independent stores

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement- fox pub to do up beer garden, more outside space for socialising in summer NOT on the pavement

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle  -replant big tree – we miss the old one

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – more

    Any other comments

    Other – less chewing gum on pavement

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – housing, the parks, independent shops, pubs , atmosphere

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – litter in the town. Betting shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more independent shops (more closed ones)

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic -traffic is too congested in town so use residential streets as rat runs. Often speed down street.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking  -town shopping could be encouraged if first hour was free

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – why is there a post in the middle of the pavement near starbucks. (Possible phone mast?)

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – some beautiful doorways in local housing. Some institutions have destroyed their front architecture

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – good range of shops. Could do with more up market clothes shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – parked cars that encroach beyond their drive a bit of an issue. Pavement often in poor repair.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – needs something to make a feature of the area

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery - reasonable

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Local, friendly shopkeepers, useful shops, nice architecture, independent shops.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – speeding cars, no cinema, lack of local information, poor provision for cyclists(lanes / parking)

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – bring the Sunday market into centre of town then promote it. Diversify shops. Free parking for an hour. Traffic calming, more crossings / zebra?

    increase the number of trains on the weekend

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – many cars speed and accelerate like maniacs

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – should be free for 1 or 2 hours

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – nice architecture but poor shop fascias

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement – would be good to have a few cafes with room for outside tables

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – no interesting shops –too many selling similar things

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – community policing – see how they feel on a Friday or Saturday evening: some not very nice people around – very ?????? - ?????

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – traffic is too fast up Aldermans hill

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – reasonable

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – pound shops look the most tatty

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more individual shops (lower the business rates)

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – fairly OK

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – planting etc is very ugly: maybe shops could take their turn in maintaining it

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – very ugly

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – Aldermans shops and park (although these are mostly restaurants and estate agents). Library.

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – too many gangs of men (young and older) hanging around the betting shops – café’s etc.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve 0- better variety of shops- see more police on the street, worst thing that happened – Woolworth closing.

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – area outside McDonalds (lodge drive ) is always dangerous to drivers and pedestrians

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – high street parking – none ! always packed. ????? for dropping off goods for charity!

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – yes to all of this (arrow points to the list)

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – (some) cheap looking shops – tatty fronts that don’t encourage admission – (??? Shops also have men hanging outside them)

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops -too many betting shops / hairdressers / charity shops. Not enough variety to encourage people to visit palmers green

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement - ????? Around bus stops? Move to areas where pavements wider.

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle -too ????? – too many posts – a waste of space – the loss of the tree should be replaced

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – flower planters, waste of space – especially when empty (ones round the triangle) more would be nicer.

    Any other comments

    Other – make use of those public toilets in the triangle as some sort of business or local amenity – (sub library, computer ???  -sound info centre – café)

    Why visit palmers green other than go to the park, library or ???. there is not much else to encourage visitors to the high street unless you want a haircut or to get intimidated by men standing outside smoking!

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – trees and greenery. Edwardian / older houses

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – very poor paving which is dangerous particularly on side roads. Too many charity shops

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – pavements. A better range of smaller shops

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – too many restrictions / meters

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – litter in palmers green can be very annoying, ?????? and bad for the environment.

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – I prefer original architecture. Some shops (usually charity shops) often have piles of rubbish / contributions in their doorway. Fast food restaurants eg McDonalds also attract litter

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – better quality shops would improve the area –eg clothing / shoes. Waitrose and multi York are great and set a standard we should be following. Independent traders for example kitchen wear would be a step up from charity shops. Having said that I would not want to see all of them disappear – just ??? of them. Red cross is fantastic for books!

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – could be made more attractive. Get rid of old toilets

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – good

    Any other comments

    Other – throw away the multi coloured Christmas lights and use white ones only. We don’t need them everywhere; it is a waste of money.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – nice park (except for the deteriorating old house!!) – an eyesore! Bus services to and from Enfield are frequent and usually on time. Good train service. Nice tea shop opposite park (Baskervilles)

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good -too much rubbish (cans etc) thrown onto pavements. (Including cigarette ends)D og mess!! (not scooped up)graffiti still occurring

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more bins for rubbish and dogs mess.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – can’t comment as not a car driver anymore

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – parts of pavement are a bit narrow in places due to posts

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more interesting shops needed especially good clothes shops

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – narrow in places

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – crossing near “smiths” not in good position (too near the corner)

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – more flower planters would be nice

    Any other comments

    Other- more receptacles for dog mess needed.

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    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops –no more big stores / selection of small specialist shops / triangle stalls and above ground toilets (like Winchmore hill) and / or information office and police

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavement space – Ok but just keep level regularly maintained

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle  -see above

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – adequate and point of triangle should have seasonal bed

    Any other comments

    Create a wind shield on triangle bus stop side !!

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – café’s, community market (though still underused) the parks

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – litter, dog mess in Broomfield

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – café in Broomfield, traffic on Aldermans (a further pedestrian crossing needed)

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – limited parking on green lanes. Lodge park quite pricy – good and free on Sunday. Keep it!

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – rubbish still dumped

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Look of shops –I like the charity shops (they are not always popular) but would like to see empty shops used. A local bookshop would be great.

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements  -this is OK.(following sentence unintelligible) 

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – quite ?? squalid ?? Toilets not in use – why?

    Question 4h. Specific aspects – Greenery

    Greenery – we could do better, would be nice to see more – unintelligible 5 words follow

    Any other comments

    Other – think Baskervilles is doing lots to build ??? community spirit

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – the variety of shops and feeling of community

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – lack of short term parking in the high street which does not encourage shoppers. Dirty pavements.

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – planters with flowers and greenery especially at the triangle and more hanging baskets

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – trees, parks

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good – dodgy clubs, pickpockets, drug addicts, drunks

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more police presence discourage the above

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Less good – traffic speeds

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Improve – more police

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Traffic – “influence on pedestrians” is underlined

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – more shops not all coffee shops

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    Sadly after an excellent re-launch in December 2010, with a fantastic response from the public, the Sunday market in Palmers Green station car park is once again dwindling. This is largely due to lack of visibility despite various attempts at signage at the entrance to the car park.  Sadly there is a vicious circle at play in that not enough footfall discourages traders from coming and not enough traders makes the market less attractive and so it goes on.  With no funding, publicity has to date been done by volunteers who eventually suffered burn out as the effort required was too demanding for the gain.

    On Sunday 5th Feb, due to icy conditions ie: 6 inches snow, it wasn’t possible to set up in the Palmers Green station car park for health and safety reasons.  In order to serve the small core of regular customers who have been loyally coming to the market for over 10 years, traders were forced to set up on the pavement next to the station outside the job centre at the top of the station access road.  There was plenty of room as the pavement is unusually wide there, so no obstruction was caused.  The response from the public was excellent with numerous residents saying they knew nothing about the market (to our chagrin) and that we should be on the pavement every week.  Given that the majority of the shops on that stretch of Aldermans Hill are closed on a Sunday there would be no conflict with retailers.

    Benefits of Sunday market begin located on pavement in PG:

    Higher visibility for stallholders, much better footfall than car park so traders more likely to take part as more worthwhile, therefore the market could grow and flourish. The market provides an alternative shopping experience for locals and allowing local traders an outlet for their wares.  Many of the public were delighted to discover the traders and the speciality produce on offer and said the market should be in this position every Sunday.  
    The market offers consumers an alternative to the supermarkets and chain stores where they can shop locally from small suppliers who are bringing either locally made or specialist items not available locally.

    Bring life and colour to that part of the high street is fairly dead on a Sunday with most of the shops closed.
     
    The pavement is wide enough to hold market stalls without blocking the passage for pedestrians, giving plenty of room to browse and pass by.

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – it’s a lovely area – very friendly and good range of shops. My 4 year old says “I like the park”

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good -  sad some of the best independent shops have closed in recent years, eg the bookshop, café Anjou, the station café. Shortage of school places (we live 0.41 miles from Hazelwood and did not get a place)

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – more independent shops (but not nail bars!). better shop fronts – café Anjou and the bookshop were lovely

    Question 4a. Specific aspects – traffic

    Traffic – too fast coming over the bridge opposite the station towards the park.

    Question 4b. Specific aspects – parking

    Parking – there should be controlled parking on Broomfield avenue. This is our road and is the only one near the station with no controlled parking so it’s virtually impossible to park there in the day

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – see my previous comments on independent shops. Café Anjou and the newly closed patisserie had distinctive , attractive shop fronts which  have been replaced with standard frontage.

    Question 4e. Specific aspacts – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – fewer betting shops!

    A park café

    Better clothes shops

    A pub for grown-ups who want a quiet drink

    Question 4f. Specific aspects – amount and use of pavement space

    Pavements – fine

    Question 4g. Specific aspects – the Triangle public space

    Triangle – it’s good to see it used as a community forum, eg by amnesty international and during elections

    Any other comments

    Other – palmers green does actually have a pretty good choice of shops compared to other high streets. There’s also very good customer service in most shops, especially Smiths, Boots and the local banks.

     

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    Question 1.  What do think is good about the area?

    Good – mix of shops and restaurants – not too many chains. Waitrose , farmers market

    Question 2.  What do you think is less good about the area?

    Less good -0 fast food outlets

    Question 3. What would you like to see to improve the area?

    Improve – support for small businesses. Ban of chewing gum

    Question 4c. Specific aspects – clutter

    Clutter – would be good to reduce this

    Question 4d. Specific aspects – look of the shops/architecture

    Look of shops – damage was done when ground floor ???? replaced with plastic glass – don’t think much can be done now !

    Question 4e. Specific aspects – type and range of shops

    Type of shops – some encouraging signs – Baskervilles, the kitchenware shop at the triangle – you need interesting “one offs ” to attract wealthier shoppers

    Any other comments

    Other  -there is always much more of a community feel in PG than Southgate so I think much is being got right

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    1. Too much litter on the streets
    2. Too much dog mess on the pavements. This is a health hazard.
    3. Stop people spilling out of the fox drunk on a  Friday night
    4. We should actively reduce the number of betting shops. Way too many
    5. Broomfield park should be used for concerts
    6. Introduce a local “wedge” card like scheme which reward people for spending their money locally.
    7. Need to encourage local shops and penalise landlords / encourage landlords to let retail space
    8. Far too much litter on the streets particularly after refuse collection. Street cleaners used to come round after the refuse trucks – what has happened to them?
    9. Do something about the unsightly disused properties along the north circular – people could be living in them if they had been maintained
    10. Jet wash the high street on a regular basis, plant a few trees. Produce a loyalty card to encourage people to shop more in the area. Enforce law on people letting their dogs mess the pavement.
    11. Develop homezones. Would like to be contacted (can’t decipher)
    12. Have pubs responsible for cleaning up post drinking time mess on the streets (vomit!!)
    13. Let’s get some organic and trendy shops please
    14. Improve the farmers market and encourage more stall traders
    15. Free parking – please
    Why are the shopping pavement not cleaned – should be cleaned at least once a month using cleaning machines – at present it’s not very attractive for shoppers to visit the shops

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